thanks everyone, just wanted a good idea of it. If they absolutely say its 8k I've gotta try to include a helmet. I hope it wont be a novelty helmet lol. I was originally enamored by the new triumph t-100 bonnevilles but they were too much coin for what they were, plus I wanted my next bike to be on a different performance level with some decent technology. Looked at the street triple and heard of its good reviews but its hard to get and I put Honda reliability and polish above it. Actually when I bought my v-star in 2003I sat on a grey/blackish 919 at the dealer while waiting and I said "hey, this feels pretty good"...well, I think I'll be going to the dealer this Saturday so wish me luck!