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post #1 of 52 Old 07-21-2007, 05:18 PM Thread Starter
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919 Oil Filter

I see that there is a normal sized OEM oil filter and a long filter about 20-25mm longer. The long clears the headers by about 15mm. Is that too close for comfort? Is the extra 20mm of filtering worth the extra heat? What filter do most 9ers use?

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I use the AMSOil EaOM103. I believe it's the same size as the standard OEM filter.

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I have a FRAM oil filter. It is the orange kind with the black suregrip on the end so you can hand tighten it. It is also a little bigger than the OEM one. No complaints so far, just looks a little peculiar til you get used to it.

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I always used Fram Filters, but apparently they suck in alot of oil flow/filtration tests.

I've been using the PL-14620 in my cycle and four-wheeler.

Here's a pretty good page to study up.

http://www.calsci.com/motorcycleinfo/Filters.html

Another one
http://www.calsci.com/motorcycleinfo/Consumables.html

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Purolator "pure-one" is the way to go. Better AND cheaper than O.E.M.

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Interesting article CPG. Food for thought.

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I always used Fram Filters, but apparently they suck in alot of oil flow/filtration tests.

I've been using the PL-14620 in my cycle and four-wheeler.

Here's a pretty good page to study up.

http://www.calsci.com/motorcycleinfo/Filters.html

Another one
http://www.calsci.com/motorcycleinfo/Consumables.html
I also used Fram until I got a little WT education. Purolator and Wix filters seem to be at or near the top in most comparisons. I use Napa Gold (Wix) they're black and the cheesy Nascrap sticker comes right off.

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Mobil one M1-110, Bosch 3323, Pure one pl 14610. Take your pick. I like the Mobil one.

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I use the factory filter.
I buy'em by the dozen from service Honda.
I figure if the filter is good enough for Honda,who am I to second guess a multi billion dollar corporation.
Besides,If I have a filter related problem,Honda can't pull the improper filter card.

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+1 Honda Filter

The filters are CHEAP compared to the synthetic oil...

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I have a FRAM oil filter. It is the orange kind with the black suregrip on the end so you can hand tighten it. It is also a little bigger than the OEM one. No complaints so far, just looks a little peculiar til you get used to it.
I always used to use Fram oil filters until two oil changes ago: drained the oil and filter, primed and installed the new filter and filled the engine with 3 1/2 quarts. Started it up and the oil light wouldn't go out, despite bringing the R's up to 1500 for about 2 seconds. Shut it off and removed the filter, reinstalled the old filter and took the Fram back to the shop, where they exchanged it for a K&N unit and supplied 4 quarts of fresh oil. (Thanks Cycle Rider!)
Now I only use the OEM filter.
By the way, after my last oil change, I ran the drained oil through a viscosometer and compared it to fresh oil (both Castrol) the drained oil was within 2% viscosity of the new oil after 7,000 miles.

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I use the factory filter.
I buy'em by the dozen from service Honda.
I figure if the filter is good enough for Honda,who am I to second guess a multi billion dollar corporation.
Besides,If I have a filter related problem,Honda can't pull the improper filter card.
+1, and I hand tighten

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By the way, after my last oil change, I ran the drained oil through a viscosometer and compared it to fresh oil (both Castrol) the drained oil was within 2% viscosity of the new oil after 7,000 miles.

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That is amazing, I wouldn't think oil would hold up that well.

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By the way, after my last oil change, I ran the drained oil through a viscosometer and compared it to fresh oil (both Castrol) the drained oil was within 2% viscosity of the new oil after 7,000 miles.

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Regular or synthetic?

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Oil Filter

Hondad, the Mobil 110 and Bosh 3323 are the long filters, so you've not noticed scorching of the paint or burnt smells, like the filter is too close to the headers? That was my main concern. I'm also a believer in Napa~Wix filters as they are fleet designed. I've always had a hangup about not enough oil filtration and capasity.

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CPG74, thanks for the web sites, that's real interesting subjects, saved as a Favorite.

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Walmart is the closest store to me with oil and filters. I use either the ST7317 (longer filter for the CBR900RR) or the ST6607 (OEM filter length) and Walmart ST 10/40 oil every 2000 miles. I have the CBR900RR header system which has slightly more distance between the two inside header pipes so the longer filter (which was made for the CBR anyway) does not come close enough to cause a heat problem – If there was no problem on the CBR, there will be no problem on my 919!

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Went and looked at the filter and except for all of the road dirt, it looks the same as when I put it on, 600 miles ago or about three weeks . I would not think that being maybe 10 or 20 mm closer to the pipes would make any real difference. I does get hot near the pipes, but only when you are stopped. Here, in Florida, it is usually above 90 all summer and the temperature off of the road has to be much higher. This link has a lot of good info. www.calsci.com/motorcycleinfo/FilterXRef.html - 58k . It has been referenced earlier.

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CPG74, thanks for the web sites, that's real interesting subjects, saved as a Favorite.

Glad they were informative to a few people, found them while searching for a replacement filter for my Polaris Sportsman. Polaris really hoses a person over with their filter prices.

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Regular or synthetic?
Plain 'ol GTX. I run Castrol in every motorcycle I've owned for the last 30 years, primarily due to its longevity -- I'm a cheap bastard, and only change the oil when I can't remember the last time it was changed: say every 7 - 10,000 miles. Never had a lubrication related failure. In case you are wondering, that's over 400,000 miles of using Castrol GTX.
Back on thread: several times, I've had the oil filter within an inch of an exhaust pipe, and never a problem.

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Rob, have you not had any problems running automotive oil in the wet clutch? I have always heard that the moly will make the clutch slip.

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I thought it was OK as long as you stayed away from the Energy Conserving oils.

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Did my last oil change with a K&N filter simply because that's what they had at cycle gear where I bought the oil...will probably roll with oem filters from here on out....

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I use the long filters mentioned in this link:

http://motorcycleinfo.calsci.com/FilterXRef.html

Usually the Bosch 3323 because the it's black and the label peels off easily.



I hope this doesn't turn into a "which oil is best" thread.

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Long oil filter

I used the long filter Bosch 3323, and got 150 miles on it so far. No burnt paint on end of filter can yet, so should do OK. Got my brand new 1982 vista cruise lock on today and it works great. I did a little remodeling on it,but, it's working good. I love the planted feel in curves, and rock steady @ 100. I'm sure this is more bike then I am rider.

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The longer filter should be fine. The oil inside keeps the temperature from getting hot enough to scorch the end of the filter. Its kinda like trying to burn the label off of a beer bottle with the beer still in the bottle. The paper doesn't get hot enough to burn because the liquid inside the bottle keeps it from getting hot enough.

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Didn't Honda discontinue the original 919 filter and switch to another number to decrease stocking? I just can't remember if they discontinued the long or short version.

Anyway, I run the OEM filter. I agree, if it's good enough for Honda to warranty the engine I don't think I can outguess them.

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The longer filter should be fine. The oil inside keeps the temperature from getting hot enough to scorch the end of the filter. Its kinda like trying to burn the label off of a beer bottle with the beer still in the bottle. The paper doesn't get hot enough to burn because the liquid inside the bottle keeps it from getting hot enough.
Who would put flame to a cold beer?

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you can boil water in a paper cup with a flame on the outside!!!

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Believe me, I would never put flame to beer. I just recall that being an old bar trick. I believe the challenge was to burn a dollar bill. But with the bill wrapped around the beer bottle, it couldn't be lit.

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Amen. Truer words have never been spoken.

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Do not run automotive oil in a bike. It's not the wet clutch but the shear loads in the trany. Automotive oils break down way to fast.

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Fastbackdlm, perhaps you should read this.

www.nightrider.com/biketech/oiltest1.htm

The bottom line is "automotive versus motorcycle oil" – little to no difference.
"synthetic versus petroleum based" – synthetic is a bit better.

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Fastbackdlm, perhaps you should read this.

www.nightrider.com/biketech/oiltest1.htm

The bottom line is "automotive versus motorcycle oil" – little to no difference.
"synthetic versus petroleum based" – synthetic is a bit better.
That's an extremely interesting article, makes me wonder if it's worth continuing to purchase the very expensive Repsol, or just run Mobil 1 for half the price.

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Here's a more recent article. Look at the dyno charts as well. I don't know why they didn't use a 1984 V65 Sabre.

http://www.sportrider.com/tech/146_0310_oil/

I run full Synth. Repsol It may not make much diff but I feel better.

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Oil Price

At one of our local dealers, the price is about $1.50 different between Suzuki,lowest,Yama lube, mid,Kawa mid, and Honda highest. These are the petro oils.Then Mobile 1, lowest, Honda,Spectro, and Repsoil the highest. These syns are way up from $10-18 a quart. I wonder if his daughter did the pricing?

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Fastbackdlm, yes, I wasn't especially pleased with this professor's choice of "steeds"; however, I'm also very skeptical of a magazine that does an "unbiased" evaluation of products whose manufacturers buy their advertising space. The answer lies somewhere in between.

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I am paying $7.99 per quart for Mobil One Motorcycle oil at Advance Auto Parts and $8.23 at Walmart.

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I knew this would turn into a religion... I mean oil thread.

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