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919 Frame sliders- Heads up

This thread is mostly for new owners of the 919. There are numerous frame sliders for sale on eBay all the time. ***Beware*** These eBay sliders mount to the engine. Buy this type and you run the risk of more than you bargained for. A better choice is Motovation or LOS frame sliders which mount to the frame.


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Ouch, sorry about your engine! Thanks for the heads up!

I was concerned that a single bolt slider could do worse damage than it protected, so I chose a multi-mount point sandwiched engine bars.

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Good call Mike, most of those ebay ones dont have a good enough pic to tell where they mount, and some even have their own little disclaimer saying that sliders breaking the engine case is a myth....Stay away!

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I installed the Motovation v2 sliders last month and let me tell you, they are great. No, I haven't layed it down. But the price, shipping speed, fit, finish, quality are superb. And weight of these things (and the rod) make me confident that if I do go down, the bike will be better off because of them.

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I installed the Motovation v2 sliders last month and let me tell you, they are great. No, I haven't layed it down. But the price, shipping speed, fit, finish, quality are superb. And weight of these things (and the rod) make me confident that if I do go down, the bike will be better off because of them.
Same here Ken, I installed the Motovation sliders also. Very pleased with the fit, and finish. I would say without seeing the LOS sliders first hand (pictures only) , the LOS may be of a bit better quality, at twice the price.
Just take your time drilling the frame

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Thanks for the post , I have some I got off ebay, I did have a spill last month I guess I was lucky, Funny Motovation is in Austin , Wont have far to go, str8

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Yeah, just got off the phone with Roland from Motovation going to pick some up next week, and the man is going to work me a deal, sweet !! I could ask him about group buy if anybody else is interested, thanks again for the post!str8

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Yeah, just got off the phone with Roland from Motovation going to pick some up next week, and the man is going to work me a deal, sweet !! I could ask him about group buy if anybody else is interested, thanks again for the post!str8
Tell him Mike said "hello". Check out his bike while you are there.

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Same here Ken, I installed the Motovation sliders also. Very pleased with the fit, and finish. I would say without seeing the LOS sliders first hand (pictures only) , the LOS may be of a bit better quality, at twice the price.
Just take your time drilling the frame
I don't know about twice the price? I paid $87.70 (US) for my LOS sliders.
They have a solid 10 mm titanium rod threaded at one end, Threaded & pinned nut on the other.
Just as "quality" as Motovation.
Cool factor: Hand Made, In England!

They even came with the proper drill to drill the frame! How cool!

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I've had poor luck with the Givi crash bars also.

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I've had poor luck with the Givi crash bars also.
Could you elaborate a bit? I've been leaning towards getting the crash bars.

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bantamangeltx... There are pros and cons with most aftermarket products. Sniper appears to be the only one who has had a problem with GIVI. Below is a quote from Islander.

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It's a crash bar made by GIVI. They make them for the 599 and 919. They are worth their weight in gold. My wife lowsided her 599 on the track and the guard took 90% of the damage and the bar end the rest. I like it much better then the frame sliders and they blend in nicely.

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I don't know about twice the price? I paid $87.70 (US) for my LOS sliders.
They have a solid 10 mm titanium rod threaded at one end, Threaded & pinned nut on the other.
Just as "quality" as Motovation.
Cool factor: Hand Made, In England!

They even came with the proper drill to drill the frame! How cool!
65 GBP(quoted by LOS)= $124. I paid $75 for the Motovation sliders.
I had to put a slot in each end of the all-thread to get the threads even on both sides. The Motovation Sliders surely will get the job done, however; I still think the LOS may be a little higher "quality", just my opinion... I also bought the Motovation SS bar end weights. Buy the way; the Motovation customer service was outstanding, quick ship......

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Done anyone know the diameter of either listed frame sliders? It would be nice to augment the Givi bars with sliders. To share the sliders frame spanning bolt, it appears the slider diameter would <1.75" on the weld, or <2" 0.5" away. Has anyone tried this?

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Done anyone know the diameter of either listed frame sliders? It would be nice to augment the Givi bars with sliders. To share the sliders frame spanning bolt, it appears the slider diameter would <1.75". Has anyone tried this?
The major Dia. of the LOS slider is 1.98". I think he skim cut 2" stock.

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Thank you xrmikey! Since the above weld diameter space is 2" it may fit. I like the idea of a strong spanning tiebar bolt taking the impact.

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65 GBP(quoted by LOS)= $124. I paid $75 for the Motovation sliders.
I had to put a slot in each end of the all-thread to get the threads even on both sides. The Motovation Sliders surely will get the job done, however; I still think the LOS may be a little higher "quality", just my opinion... I also bought the Motovation SS bar end weights. Buy the way; the Motovation customer service was outstanding, quick ship......
I just checked LOS site, Hornet TI Bar sliders $ 35.(UK)
As far as centering, since it has a pinned nut on one side, just put it in and crank 'er down to spec. Los customer service is one of the best I've dealt with. E-mail them, they respond.
The only issue I can see, for some is because they are hand made you might have to wait for your order to be built. Then it's coming from the UK so shipping time will be a little longer.
I personally wasn't planning on "using" them any time soon, so I was in noooo hurry.
It's all personal preference I guess.

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What does LOS include for ~$124? Titanium bar, Aluminum billet, air insured shipping? Their website doesn't make it clear how 35pounds increases to 65. If it is a TI tiebar (not clarified on their website!) then its strength must be greater than a steel version.

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OK, I will clairfy this, sorry for the confusion.... I asked LOS the price of billet
shipped to FL..

I hope, if ever needed the non-billet will absorb energy better than alumn.

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What does LOS include for ~$124? Titanium bar, Aluminum billet, air insured shipping? Their website doesn't make it clear how 35pounds increases to 65. If it is a TI tiebar (not clarified on their website!) then its strength must be greater than a steel version.

On their web site two slots over it says TIEBAR. Meaning titanium. I don't think they make'em any other way. Thats the way I got'em. The $87.00 I paid was the to-my-door price. The price might of went up.

As far as strength, Yes, TI is stronger than steel & a lot lighter. It's yield strength is much, much higher, but when it reaches its Max it breaks, instead of bending.
My price was Nylon sliders, aluminum spacers & Titanium hardware.

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Tiebar stands for "tie together", not necessarily mean titanium!
Hopefully it is TI, but for that price I doubt it...are you sure?
Nylon will absorb more energy and provide more braking friction than AL.
It looks like a great option.

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Tiebar stands for "tie together", not necessarily mean titanium!
Hopefully it is TI, but for that price I doubt it...are you sure?
Nylon will absorb more energy and provide more braking friction than AL.
It looks like a great option.
Ha! I didn't think of that, doh!. I believe I orderd the option of titanium hardware.
When I received them the rod sure felt like titanium! It was light as alum. Had TI look.Didn't check if it was magnetic or not. When we refer to titanium in our shop we say Ti. Not thinking, when I read the description my mind went straight to titanium.
It might be 304 stainless.Not that heavy though.
He did say he buys in enough bulk to be able to sell his product really cheap! Maybe that combined with the fact in the UK they refer to things a little differently had me believing as such.
My sincerest apologies to anyone I might of mislead in regards to the type of material.

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This kind of confirms the material. Ask anyway. dream247919 made me feel like an idiot and question myself! I hate it when that happens!

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I haven't seen anyone mention the Givi frame sliders yet. Islander has them on his bike and they look more aesthetic and supportive than any of the other sliders I've seen. I will be getting a pair within a couple of weeks.

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The original intent if this thread was to give everyone a heads-up on frame sliders offered on eBay. It is easy to get off track as you can see, at times I'm as guilty as the next person. If anyone wants to start a new thread say; frames sliders vs. crash bars or something like that go ahead. Please try to keep to the original topic here. When a newbie shows up 6 months from now looking for specific information it makes it so much easier to find without asking to same old questions over and over. [/rant]

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LOS crash bobbins

How to settle a argument, when in doubt go to the source. Just got this email from Chris at LOS.

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The tiebar protectors go through the frame & the frame mounted protectors are two seperate bobbins which go into the frame & engine mount, we developed thye tiebar protectors as some people feel the individual protectors can cause damage to the engine in the event of a spill,
Unfortunately we couldn't supply the tiebar in titanium,
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>Unfortunately we couldn't supply the tiebar in titanium

Thank you M11542 for clearing that up. No worries rmikey, LOS needs to update their website. I am not surprised LOS is steel, since TI would have tripled the price. I'd prefer US made Motovation.

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Banta, per the Givi crash bars.... Some sort of weird harmonics vibrated my Givi crash bars to death. Givi was good enough to give me a second set. My bike shook the second set to failure also. Neither set ever touched the floor. It was a shame. I really wanted them to work.

Clutch and alternator cases really aren't expensive anyway....

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>Unfortunately we couldn't supply the tiebar in titanium

Thank you M11542 for clearing that up. No worries rmikey, LOS needs to update their website. I am not surprised LOS is steel, since TI would have tripled the price. I'd prefer US made Motovation.
I recieved an E-mail from LOS about the material & he replied the hardware is stainless steel.

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Banta, per the Givi crash bars.... Some sort of weird harmonics vibrated my Givi crash bars to death. Givi was good enough to give me a second set. My bike shook the second set to failure also. Neither set ever touched the floor. It was a shame. I really wanted them to work.

Clutch and alternator cases really aren't expensive anyway....
I'm sure if given enough, thought putting a rubber isolator somehow incorporated into the mounting of the Givi's would cure the vibration cracking. My feelings are I don't want to spend a lot of money to fix someone else's product. If you want to use the bars, it's an option to think about if you have cracking problems.

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It appears that Motovation changed to an engine mount setup, simililar to most of the others, and they consider this an improved design. Reading the 2 reviews on their website seems to indicate that the one thru-bolt design bends easily, compromising the effectiveness of the sliders.

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Reviews: http://www.motovationusa.com/mvstore...p?idProduct=17

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That's the original design Rob919. The v2 sliders were released recently, are a bit more expensive, and are frame mounted:
http://www.motovationusa.com/mvstore...?idproduct=201

I grabbed a set as soon as they were announced and was very pleased with them.

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I ordered a set of Givi frame gaurds and after seeing how heavy they are and how ugly they are, I sent them back and ordered a set of CSG Moto sliders.

No I haven't tested them yet. Dropped the bike on a gravel road with no problems.

Looks like the slider would break away from its mount before the mount would break off the bike.


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Here is the Givi guard I have on my 919 and my wifes 599
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I heard that the metal ones transfer the impact of the wreck into the frame and that can mess it up. I got some delrin ones replaced the motor mount bolts. Are those the ones that are bad to have? (the pics wouldn't load)

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I heard that the metal ones transfer the impact of the wreck into the frame and that can mess it up. I got some delrin ones replaced the motor mount bolts. Are those the ones that are bad to have? (the pics wouldn't load)
Those are the "bad" ones to have, I'm afraid. Motopsycho did a write-up on moving those to frame mounts, though, if you're interested. For what it's worth, the GSG Moto sliders are delrin, the mount is the metal part.

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You can mount the Sato's to the frame. Grab a thick threaded bar,locking nuts/washers. Done. I did have to open up the hole on the frame. You could skip that step and just get a thinner threaded bar. Glad I was able to remount these. Hopefully I don't ever need them... again. (tipped over while they were mounted to the engine, just a little scrapped)
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