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post #1 of 26 Old 06-01-2006, 08:56 AM Thread Starter
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919 Chain length?

Honda says 530x108 (size x number of links)
what was on the bike was 530x114
tried to put a 530x110 on last night (expecting to have to take 2 links off)
What should it be? (read a couple places that it came to long from factory)


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Don't know where you got that information or should I say miss-information. 114 links stock from the factory, with stock gearing you could get away with 112 but nothing less.

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Chain length calculations

Chain length can be pre-calculated by:
Taking the difference in the number of teeth being changed and dividing by 2.
(Round up or down to the nearest even link; a remainder of 0.5 would round down to 0 and a remainder of 1.5 would round up to 2)

Example(Stock 919 gearing 16/43 going to 15/45)
16 + 43 = 59
15 + 45 = 60
60 -59 = 1 div. by 2 = 0.5(Rounded down to the nearest even number)
Stock chain 114 links: NO change required

From stock gearing to 16/47 gearing
16 + 43 = 59
16 + 47 = 63
63 - 59 = 4/2 = 2 extra links or 116 links total.
Note: The 919 could get away with 112 links for stock gearing so theoretically 114 links would work for the 16/47 gearing.

From: stock gearing to 17/44 gearing
16 + 43 = 59
17 + 44 = 61
61 - 59 = 3 div. by 2 = 1.5 rounded up will give you 2 extra links.
Note: The 919 could get away with 112 links for stock gearing so theoretically 114 links would work for the 17/44 gearing.

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Thanks Mike...
I picked up a 114 this morning.. thinking about taking it down to 112 for keeping wheel base short and steering that slight bit quicker.. though I am guessing that would make getting the master link in the chain a harder job.
feedback requested :001_smile:

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Thanks Mike...
I picked up a 114 this morning.. thinking about taking it down to 112 for keeping wheel base short and steering that slight bit quicker.. though I am guessing that would make getting the master link in the chain a harder job.
feedback requested
Inserting the master link is not a problem, just slide the wheel/axle all the way forward. I personally recommend going with a rivet type master link

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Chain I got came with a clip type.. I will use the clip to check it out at 114.. if it looks like it will be real easy to do the 112 then I will chop out the 2 links and put in a rivet type.. (got the tool loaned to me already anyway.. )

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Chain installed at 112 links
Thank you very much again!
oh and one of the places that I got the 108 number... was the stealership

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Chain installed at 112 links
Thank you very much again!
oh and one of the places that I got the 108 number... was the stealership
Your welcome. Glad all went well!

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I guess this is the place to ask. I have quite a bit of experience with bicycle chains and what is referred to as "chain stretch" (pin wear) On a bicycle the pins on a new chain should be exactly 12 inches (center on pin to center of pin). Is there any translation to this with motorcycle chains or are there too many different sizes? Also my 919 came with stock chain referred to in manual as size: DID50VA8. I wanted to do some chain cleaning so I went to local shop and picked up a master link. Guy at shop looked it up and gave me a 530 link. LSS... the link is way smaller than my factory chain links. I measured pin width on my chain and it is just above 24mm wide. Any info on exactly how much MC chains vary in this area would be appreciated.

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your gonna break a factory endless chain so you can clean it?

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I guess this is the place to ask. I have quite a bit of experience with bicycle chains and what is referred to as "chain stretch" (pin wear) On a bicycle the pins on a new chain should be exactly 12 inches (center on pin to center of pin). Is there any translation to this with motorcycle chains or are there too many different sizes? Also my 919 came with stock chain referred to in manual as size: DID50VA8. I wanted to do some chain cleaning so I went to local shop and picked up a master link. Guy at shop looked it up and gave me a 530 link. LSS... the link is way smaller than my factory chain links. I measured pin width on my chain and it is just above 24mm wide. Any info on exactly how much MC chains vary in this area would be appreciated.
Do not break the chain to clean.
Do not use a master link.
Do not excessively overclean, which an off bike chain cleaning begs for.
Leaving a chain soaking overnight in "solvent X" could damage or get past the o rings and destroy thin pin/roller permanent grease lube.
Clean on the bike, get wheel off ground to allow hand turning, use kerosene, not mineral spirits, not paint thinner, not harsh chemicals.

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^^this, Kerosene and a rag. Works for me, all the gunk comes right off.

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Gents, did the 108 fit??

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Gents, did the 108 fit??

I don't think anyone has got a 108 link chain to fit. 112 yeah, I had a 112 on mine when I sold her.

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Chain I got came with a clip type.. I will use the clip to check it out at 114.. if it looks like it will be real easy to do the 112 then I will chop out the 2 links and put in a rivet type.. (got the tool loaned to me already anyway.. )
Hummmm. The fact that the chain came with a clip type link makes me wonder if the tensile strength is adequate for the muscular 919. If it is rated anything less than 10,000# you'll go through it in no time.
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Learning from some mistakes: chain tools break incredibly easily! Local shop charged $8 to chop a 120 link down to size and put in a master link to make it an endless. Recommended highly!! It's a little extra work to get it on the bike but worth it!

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Lesson #1 in do-it-yourself chain changing. Don't buy the cheap tools. You'll pay closer to $60 for a GOOD chain tool.

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Yes, big mistake not investing in higher quality tools

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Oh, and don't feel alone in this, I upped and bought a NICE $80 chain break set. Also makes it so much easier to put a new chain on.

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Lesson #1 in do-it-yourself chain changing. Don't buy the cheap tools. You'll pay closer to $60 for a GOOD chain tool.

Yeah this, if you search you'll see the consequences of my attempt to install a new chain using cheap tools. I almost ruined a $$$$ DID chain.

I got a Stockton kit off Pvster for $50 bucks and it went soooooo much easier.

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I got a Stockton kit off Pvster for $50 bucks and it went soooooo much easier.
How was the kit? I still haven't used mine lol.

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How was the kit? I still haven't used mine lol.

It worked great for me. Still took a couple of tries to get the plates mashed together to the correct level, but that was just my issue not the tools.

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It worked great for me. Still took a couple of tries to get the plates mashed together to the correct level, but that was just my issue not the tools.
Good to know and glad to hear the kit helped a fellow forum member

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I'll put in another plug for EK chains. They come with these nifty spacer plates so you can just crank down on the master link pins to your heart's content.


BTW: My current EK is the new 530 ZZZ rated at 11,000#. It has 13,000 miles on it with minimal stretch. I just replaced the front sprocket and it runs as smooth as glass.

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^^^wow that's cool. That spacer is an awesome idea.

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^^^wow that's cool. That spacer is an awesome idea.
Yeah, the EK chains include a pair of these spacer plates that ensure proper o-ring compression. Ya just need a good pair of vise grips to get the first one out when you're done. I got the zzz chain on ebay for around $160. Good stuff.
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