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2007 Bandit 1250SA: First Impressions

Brought home a new Bandit 1250SA today. After getting the new bike run through at the dealer's, I did a 50-mile shakedown cruise. First impressions are based on this short ride on highway, twistys, town, and city. The bike will be broken in per Suzuki's recommendation: initial 500 miles below 4500 RPMs and vary the speed, so comments on high speeds and high performance will come later.

Engine: Torque O' Plenty! This engine pulls hard. With its flat torque curve the Bandit generates 64.5 lb-ft of torque at just 1,800 rpm, and from 2,700 rpm there’s more than 70 lb-ft on your right hand. On the highway, I found myself in a big rig's blind spot. A slight wrist twist in 6th gear (no need to downshift!) and I was gone. The engine, coupled with the rocket launcher exhaust can is very quiet under 4K RPMs. So quiet in fact, that it's too easy to go too fast very quickly. I normally like a bit more exhaust grunt, but for touring and 2-up riding, this will be a nice change.

Handling: The steering is very neutral. She leans over easily and once there, requires no additional input to keep your line. Its five hundred pounds leans and steers effortlessly. Definitely looking forward to more spirited rides on the twists once the break-in is done, but know this isn't a sport bike and isn't intended to handle like one.

Suspension: A little soon to tell, but seems downright nice. A little tuning front and rear will make it behave even better no doubt. Contrary to what I had read, the front end doesn't dive badly under hard braking. Ride is smooth and solid.

Brakes: My first bike with ABS. Didn't engage it on this ride, but the 'whir' from the front brake is interesting if you've never heard it before. Aside from that, plenty of stopping power all in all. The levers feel a little spongy but nothing some braided lines won't cure.

Controls: Both the clutch and the front brake are adjustable and provide a nice reach. The hydraulic clutch with its coil springs is new on this model and engages easily and very smoothly. I really like this. A lot. Shifter and rear brake are pretty normal. The transmission coupled with that hydraulic clutch is very smooth. I may have to adjust the shifter a bit, it seems too low to me. I noticed my right foot was pretty warm, more than I'm used to. Oh, I didn't find the bars or their angle awkward at all.

Protection: I actually like the stock screen. On the way to the dealer, as I'm blasting down the road at 72 on the 919, I wondered if I'd miss the totally naked ride. Windscreens have been hit or miss for me on bikes and I liked not having one on the 919. But this Bandit's screen seem adequate for my height (5'9"). I was getting wind blast, but it was clean air and I wasn't doing any bobble head impersonations. Another sign of decent protection: the cockpit is not terribly noisey at highway speeds.

Mirrors: I have to say something about mirrors because I've replaced stock mirrors on almost every bike I've owned. Usually they are terrible in form and function. Although I'm not crazy about the look of screen-mounted mirrors these ones actually work. My shoulders are big (54") and they are all I usually see in mirrors, and normally they vibrate. With just some minor adjstments, I was clearly seeing everything behind me and quite a good ways to the sides too. And no vibration. Nice job here Suzuki.

Fit & Finish: Everything looks to be top notch. Seat fits well. Plastic is firm and doesn't vibrate or buzz. Paint is fantastic. Hopefully the clearcoat on the tank isn't soft and easily scratched like my last two Hondas.

The extended forecast is clear and sunny this week. I'm aching to get back out on this bike. With a little luck, and maybe a day off from work, I could kill the 600 mile break-in this week. Here's some pics. Loking forward to many more miles.












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That is an especially nice looking ride Ken. Is that disc on the right side of the front wheel for controlling the ABS?

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Very nice write up, you should be a shoe in for the motojournalist position.

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That is an especially nice looking ride Ken. Is that disc on the right side of the front wheel for controlling the ABS?
Thanks! Yes, that's for the ABS.

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No thanks. FI for me from now on. This new Bandit has been remade and has FI.

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No thanks. FI for me from now on. This new Bandit has been remade and has FI.
Ok, cool. I was digging the pics, and thought I saw a set of carbs. Anyhow, nice ride. Have fun with it.

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If I squint it looks like a 9er.

Nice looking bike Ken. Keep us informed as to the performance once you can turn it loose.

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Congrats Ken, great looking machine! Sure, it's all new and nicely outfitted from the factory, but I bet the mods will start soon enough. Have fun breaking her in this week.

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Congrats Ken, great looking machine! Sure, it's all new and nicely outfitted from the factory, but I bet the mods will start soon enough. Have fun breaking her in this week.
My reputation precedes me! Actually, with this Bandit being a whole new model, there aren't many mods for it all. The only bolt-on accessory for it on the Suzuki web site is a license plate holder I'm sure that will change. But all I'd like to do is add some Givi side cases to it to make it more versatile. Really!

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Congrats Ken and thanks for your impressions. It's great to read Suzuki has done lots of homework! Your bike has earned a spot on my distant future shortlist.

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Very nice, Ken. I like it. And thanks for the write-up!

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I like it! Now git to removing those stickers!

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Sweet ride!
Can't wait to see what you do to it.

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Looks very good. You mentioned changing out the brake lines for S/S in the future. Just be sure and do your homework. I have heard there can be challenges w/ the ABS system. Personally, I've never done it, so everything is hearsay, but worth repeating.

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Can't wait to see what you do to it.
Thanks! Not much to do with this one. I have no intention of trying to make into something it's not. Maybe some braided lines and definitely some luggage for versatility and that's about it. Really!

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Congrats Ken and thanks for your impressions. It's great to read Suzuki has done lots of homework! Your bike has earned a spot on my distant future shortlist.
Everyone ought to ride one of these. My little brother bought a DR-Z400 a couple months ago. He is bored with it already. And was in lust walking around the Bandit tonight. A test ride is all it takes.

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Looks very good. You mentioned changing out the brake lines for S/S in the future. Just be sure and do your homework. I have heard there can be challenges w/ the ABS system. Personally, I've never done it, so everything is hearsay, but worth repeating.
I'll be reading up on this before I tackle anything with the ABS system. Probably a Winter project anyways. Too many roads to ride all over again and too little season left to do them in. Thanks for the reminder though Ridge.

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Totally green with envy over that instrument cluster and 70 lbs-ft yeah baby!!!

Enjoy it man!!

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The Bandit...... memories.... All good memories!

I have considered going back to one in the future. I need to wear out my Tiger first tho! They will fill the same niche. I have no desire to tempt gravity with the Tiger on a dirt road again. I will use a dirt bike for that from now on.

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He shoots......He scores! Have fun Ken, Congrats!

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Totally green with envy over that instrument cluster and 70 lbs-ft yeah baby!!!

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The Bandit just won the bang for the buck award from Motorcyclist mag.
Congrats ,I liked the old Bandit but not the looks but this new one has some style. I bet it would make a great touring bikje with nothing more than some soft bags

Ken I am surprised to hear your brother is bored with his DR already. That is the first bad review I have heard about the supermoto suzuki. It even came in second in bang for the buck. Any specific complaints?

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Thanks jet!

Just came across this little gem. Suzuki will be releasing luggage for the Bandit to match colors...


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Just came across this little gem. Suzuki will be releasing luggage for the Bandit to match colors...

Lower fairing, wind screen extender and bags. But is it as comfortable as your ST1300?

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No intention of adding plastic. And the stock windscreen seems fine for my height. So far, I'd say it has all the comfort of the ST and it's 200 pounds lighter. And $7000 cheaper.

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No intention of adding plastic. And the stock windscreen seems fine for my height. So far, I'd say it has all the comfort of the ST and it's 200 pounds lighter. And $7000 cheaper.
WOW!!! That's a potent review! Thanks!
Reading this thread is becoming hazardous to my wallet.

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Nice pick up Ken.

Is the extra weight of the Suzy compared to the 9er very noticible when you're doing very slow speed maneuvers, say parking, pushing into tight spaces or setting up on centre stand?

The Bandit appears the best value buy by a long way down here :001_smile:

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Check out these sites for some ideas..

http://www.banditalley.net/
http://www.banditforum.co.uk/

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Nice pick up Ken.

Is the extra weight of the Suzy compared to the 9er very noticible when you're doing very slow speed maneuvers, say parking, pushing into tight spaces or setting up on centre stand?

The Bandit appears the best value buy by a long way down here :001_smile:
Despite being about 300 cc's larger, the Bandit weighs only 70 pounds more than the 919. At slow speed and getting it on and off the center stand the weight difference is not noticeable to me. The only time I notice it is when moving it with my feet while I'm on it, like backing into a parking space. I've found its center of gravity to be quite low and, unlike the ST13, it doesn't feel top heavy to me at all.

A 1250 with nearly 80 ft/lbs of torque, ABS, low insurance (it runs me $260 annually for full coverage), half fairing, and an excellent handling machine for $8K out the door? I'd say its about the best value out there in this class of bike right now. I'm very pleased with her!

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"factory break-in procedure"

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It's worked well for me with 7 bikes. If it ain't broke...

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You're welcome to break yours as you see fit, bucky, go for it. I'll do my best to keep my new bike running strong for a long time. But thanks for coming out.

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Got a few hundred miles on her now and hoping to finish the break-in period this weekend. Planning a couple of all-day rides around a few of the Finger Lakes tomorrow and then again on Monday. Have been commuting on it this week and really appreciate so much torque so low in the powerband for highway and city riding. Very pleased so far.

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Ken, allow me to play devil's advocate: how do you know it worked well? there's no way you'd know if a more agressive break-in may have yielded more performance, right? perhaps your contentment with 7 bikes had more to do with the engineering and assembly. same token, how do i know that my aggressive break-ins of my cars' and bikes' engines had anything to do with their great performance? one person's experience means little. even small groups' experiences are statistically barely worth looking at. until i start throwing connecting rods, i'm not sticking strictly to the corporate "safety net" break-in. with engine tech being what it is, i believe break-in periods now have more to do with the manufacturer stacking the odds against a warranty claim. if you can convince people to baby an engine, engine failure for ANY reason is less likely. i'd rather just get on with it. after 100 or so miles are on the clock, i ride it like an aggressive old man (which it just so happens, i'm beginning to be) up to a thousand miles. after that, it's "hello rev limiter...oh, that's right...we've met !" if it blows up, it was meant to. if not, and none have, then it was built adequately. this is why i buy Hondas. period. the honda civic that i haul my bike with ("El Civico" , as some of you may recall) has 216,000 miles on it and performs flawlessly still. doesn't sip a drop of oil between changes. again, one person's evidence is only anecdotal, but it is my contention that a Honda engine has no problem being used somewhat aggressively very early, and very often. and aggressive break-ins have been shown to yield marginally higher performance in many engines. in the end? i think it's a personality thing. i'm a frustrated pacifist. i have issues, and my bike is my "couch". Just teasin' Ken. I love you and you KNOW it.

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I have no desire to debate break-in philosophy in this post. I'm familiar with the Motoman philosophy and the long standing, age old debate of hard versus staged break in. I choose the latter. Feel free to post this in a new thread where other's will be more likely to engage in the debate. It's about as old and tired a debate as what type of oil to use and to ABS or not to ABS which is why I'd rather leave it out of here. Thanks.

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