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post #1 of 21 Old 06-16-2006, 11:14 AM Thread Starter
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Steering head/bearings

So my '06 R1 is in the shop today, something to do with the steering head/bearings possibly. Thought I would post the issue here and see if anyone else has had the same problem.

I've noticed in the last couple of days under hard braking there is a clunking sound coming from the triple tree area. So I tested it and had some other guys test it out and we all heard the same sound. It's not consistent meaning it doesn't do it all the time but if you roll the bike forward and hit the front brake hard, there is a popping/clunking sound. It's not the calipers, you can hear that all the time when we were doing the "rolling test" but every 3rd or 4th time you would hear the popping/clunking sound.

Talked to the service manager and he seemed somewhat familiar with the problem. Asked how many km's I had and I told him 4500kms=2800 miles and he was shocked! He says do you mean 45,000kms and I'm like no I've only had the bike for over 2 months, it's 4500kms. He says that it usually doesn't happen till after 10,000kms=6200 miles.

Talked to one of the mechanics there as well and gave him the same spiel and his look on his face was of shock too when he heard how low the km's were on the bike. Then he asked me exactly how hard do I ride the bike and I didn't even answer cause he had a look at my rear tire and said "you ride this bike pretty hard cause there's no chicken stripes". Blah blah blah!

Now I don't think it would have anything to do with riding the bike hard, I ride my F4i a lot harder and have never had any problems. Yes I know you can't compare Yamahas and Hondas but I don't think it has anything to do with how I ride the R1. Honestly, I'm a little disappointed that this has happened and would really love to know what the problem is and what caused it.

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post #2 of 21 Old 06-16-2006, 11:21 AM
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It's a Yamaha.

I ride my bike hard.

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That would chap my ass!(H) At least your(O) frame is(N) not cracked(D) like the(A) GXR1K.......we hope! Let us know.

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Should've got the 1000RR...

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Just tell them to weld the triple trees pointing straight ahead and move to Florida. You can ride all day, do a kickstand turnaround, and ride back.

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IT does sound like a bearing problem, possibly not set up right from, IE incorrectly torqued and would get sloppy sooner, especially with a little aggressive riding

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IT does sound like a bearing problem, possibly not set up right from, IE incorrectly torqued and would get sloppy sooner, especially with a little aggressive riding
I was thinking that as well. Yeah it may have went prematurely but it could have been put together wrong. From what I understand, the steering head is not assembled by the shop I bought it from but rather factory assembled. So some little Japanese guy or robot screwed up!

And I can do the kickstand turnaround!
And yes I'm thinking Honda (1000RR) might have been the better choice..........hell no! I still love my R1, just pissed at her right now!

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I was thinking that as well. Yeah it may have went prematurely but it could have been put together wrong. From what I understand, the steering head is not assembled by the shop I bought it from but rather factory assembled. So some little Japanese guy or robot screwed up!

And I can do the kickstand turnaround!
And yes I'm thinking Honda (1000RR) might have been the better choice..........hell no! I still love my R1, just pissed at her right now!
Hmm, 1 too many stoppies me thinks!

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Sounds like loose steering head bearings to me. No biggie... You must refrain from doing those vertical wheelies. j/k They were most likely on the loose side from the factory. A slight tweak of the adjusting nut will cure the problem. Have them checked again in about 1,000 miles to be sure they have not loosed up.

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It did end up being a loose steering head, tightened up and it's fine now!
Bike is only 2-3 months old, still under warranty and they charged my $28.75 for what was probably a 10 minute job. Kinda pissed about that, thought it would and should have been covered under warranty. Never had to have warranty work done on my bikes until now, so not sure exactly how it works.

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Did they tell you it was a maintenance item, like chain adjustment?

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My .02, they should not have charged you anything. It was a problem that came from the factory.

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Did they tell you it was a maintenance item, like chain adjustment?
They didn't tell me anything other then it was problem due to my "aggressive" riding or that it was possibly lose from the factory!

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loose from the factory should=covered by warranty IMO

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Um...does anyone buy an R1 and NOT ride aggressively? Blaming your riding is just plain stupid of them.

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loose from the factory should=covered by warranty IMO
That's what I thought!


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Um...does anyone buy an R1 and NOT ride aggressively? Blaming your riding is just plain stupid of them.
They said it was either my riding aggressively or doing wheelies.
My conversation with the service manager about wheelies:
SM: Wheelies can cause the steering head to be loose
Me: I don't do wheelies on my bikes
SM: (looks at me as if I was telling him something dumb) Like I said, wheelies can cause the steering head to loosen up especially when the front wheel comes down hard
Me: Like I said, I don't do wheelies on the R1. I don't even know how to do wheelies and I don't even try
SM: Well if you aren't doing them now, you will be doing them
Me: Not likely since I don't care to do one and never have
SM: You say that now but you will be doing wheelies on that R1
Me: Well if I do since you seem to think I will, they haven't been done on the bike yet so it wasn't wheelies that loosened up the steering head
SM: But you will be doing them
Me: Ok (by this time I was just getting too frustrated to argue anymore)
SM: Then it must be hard braking and you riding aggressively on the bike
Me: I ride my F4i harder and have never had problems, shouldn't this bike be able to handle "aggressive" riding?
SM: (now he's getting frustrated with me) It could have been loose from the factory, we'll look at it.........

Now the conversation with the mechanic was even more amusing cause he was sure that it was wheelies and my "aggressive" riding, not to mention the fact he pointed at the rear tire that has barely any strips on it. By this time, I had given up and was just like fix the damn bike and YES I DO WHEELIES AND YES I RIDE THE PISS OUT OF IT FOR THE LOVE OF GOD JUST FIX IT!

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You were wearing something that was covering your jumblies, weren't you?
Some women never learn.

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You were wearing something that was covering your jumblies, weren't you?
Some women never learn.
That's the kind of response I expected from Bigdaa or midwest. Good one Jim!

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That's the kind of response I expected from Bigdaa or midwest. Good one Jim!
Yeah me too, so proud of you Jim, brings a tear to my eye!

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That's the kind of response I expected from Bigdaa or midwest. Good one Jim!
I've been in training, but got my journeyman's liscense from Midwest in the mail this weekend. C'mon Sporty, you know we all love you.
Okay, back to technical issues. If they think it "might have been from the factory" then ask them to run it up the flagpole and see if the factory will cover it.

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That's what I thought!




They said it was either my riding aggressively or doing wheelies.
My conversation with the service manager about wheelies:
SM: Wheelies can cause the steering head to be loose
Me: I don't do wheelies on my bikes
SM: (looks at me as if I was telling him something dumb) Like I said, wheelies can cause the steering head to loosen up especially when the front wheel comes down hard
Me: Like I said, I don't do wheelies on the R1. I don't even know how to do wheelies and I don't even try
SM: Well if you aren't doing them now, you will be doing them
Me: Not likely since I don't care to do one and never have
SM: You say that now but you will be doing wheelies on that R1
Me: Well if I do since you seem to think I will, they haven't been done on the bike yet so it wasn't wheelies that loosened up the steering head
SM: But you will be doing them
Me: Ok (by this time I was just getting too frustrated to argue anymore)
SM: Then it must be hard braking and you riding aggressively on the bike
Me: I ride my F4i harder and have never had problems, shouldn't this bike be able to handle "aggressive" riding?
SM: (now he's getting frustrated with me) It could have been loose from the factory, we'll look at it.........

Now the conversation with the mechanic was even more amusing cause he was sure that it was wheelies and my "aggressive" riding, not to mention the fact he pointed at the rear tire that has barely any strips on it. By this time, I had given up and was just like fix the damn bike and YES I DO WHEELIES AND YES I RIDE THE PISS OUT OF IT FOR THE LOVE OF GOD JUST FIX IT!

I love it... the SM thinks you're a squid. ...must've seen your video.

See, I told ya to get the Ya beat the piss out of the f4i w/ no problems, 3 mos. on the R1 & it's in the shop.

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