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post #1 of 103 Old 06-01-2012, 05:10 PM Thread Starter
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Im am 16 and i drive a 2.3 turbo mustang and i want to start ridding im 6ft 220 lbs what do u reccomend for a starter im looking at a yamaha r6

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Hello and welcome! Stay away from a sport bike for your 1st, find an older standard, small displacement to learn and practice on for a year or so.

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Im am 16 and i drive a 2.3 turbo mustang and i want to start ridding im 6ft 220 lbs what do u reccomend for a starter im looking at a yamaha r6
look somewhere else for your first bike.

SV650 is a good start. Smart choice would be SV650 naked for your first bike which WILL go down at some point during the learning process.
Since at 16yo you are probably driven by "I want to look cool", go with SV650S as pictured below.


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No i want to learn not show off and i want a sports bike and one i will keep for a long time

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I just want one that's well balanced and easy to control

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If it's your first bike (without prior motorcycle experience), chances are you're going to drop it. Get frame sliders on whatever you decide on. Take the MSF class if you haven't already, worth every penny.

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If it's your first bike (without prior motorcycle experience), chances are you're going to drop it. Get frame sliders on whatever you decide on. Take the MSF class if you haven't already, worth every penny.
Ok thanks is the r6 ok if i don't get on it bc im to scared to until i learn how to ride. seen to many crashes

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You definitely don't want to start on a sport bike, anything with clip ons and that racing riding position is going to be really awkward in slow speed maneuvers, which means you're chances of dropping/getting into trouble it go way up. Not to mention the extra power you don't need right now. I would look at the SV650, the naked (which I prefer the looks of personally) or the SV650S if you dig the fully faired look. Check out the Honda 599 as well, or maybe a Suzuki GS500F. Something where the power is more manageable, and with a more upright riding position.

I would recommend a ninja 250, but we all know you're not going to go with that, and I'm in the camp that a 250 is something you'll quickly be bored with and want to sell after a few months. As long as you ride responsibly I'd say start on a 500-650 standard. Qhatever you end up with just be careful, and try to resist slamming the throttle for a long while. I know how stupid I was at 16, the last thing you need is a sport bike.

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i never agreed with starting small...because in a few weeks you will wish you went bigger.....get what you want from the start...any 600 sport bike is small and light and will feel like a toy in a very short time...i dont see a difference between r6 and sv650...its the weight more then the power thats gets getting use to at first.....and its not true that new riders go down during the first year of learning to ride...your a big strong kid use your head have fun..and pick your spots wisely when feeling the power

dont need a bike to ride the fast lane
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I think im going for it and im NOT GETTING ON IT bc i worked to hard for the money and im scared of wrecking but thanks for ur all advice ill post pics of what i get

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When I say drop, I mean at a standstill or at really slow speeds. Not saying you will but most likely yes. Look at the list below, my first was a GXSR-750. So long as you respect the machine and know you can, get your R6. Good luck and post the pics when you got it

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I think im going for it and im NOT GETTING ON IT bc i worked to hard for the money and im scared of wrecking but thanks for ur all advice ill post pics of what i get
That's another good point, if you've never ridden a street bike before at all you definitely don't want to go spend your savings on a R6 you're drooling over only to drop it in a parking lot and find out how expensive that plastic is.....

Learn on something forgiving and cheap then move up.

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Ok thanks is the r6 ok if i don't get on it bc im to scared to until i learn how to ride. seen to many crashes
R6 is no good for at least a year or so, depends where, how, what bike you going to learn on before you get on r6. It doesn't matter if you are 6' 200lbs, r6 will be too much for you. It's easy to learn how to go fast on r6. After a couple of month you will get somewhat comfortable to ride your r6 fast and that will get you in trouble. There is more to MC than going fast, you need to learn some skills and it will take time. r6 power will distract you from learning properly.

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i never agreed with starting small...because in a few weeks you will wish you went bigger.....get what you want from the start...any 600 sport bike is small and light and will feel like a toy in a very short time...i dont see a difference between r6 and sv650...its the weight more then the power thats gets getting use to at first.....and its not true that new riders go down during the first year of learning to ride...your a big strong kid use your head have fun..and pick your spots wisely when feeling the power

post a pic or your bike plz.

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I think im going for it and im NOT GETTING ON IT bc i worked to hard for the money and im scared of wrecking but thanks for ur all advice ill post pics of what i get
scared of wrecking...not buying a bike to get on it once in a while....we all work hard for our money ... you can be sitting at a light or riding like granny...and some car take you out for no reason and its all over.......work to hard for your money....thats a good one

dont need a bike to ride the fast lane
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You will hate a sportbike if you are anywhere over 5'9". Especially on an R6. You will be cramped, searching for low end torque at stop lights, and you will never use the bike to its potential as a beginning rider.

Try a 599, SV650, or a Nighthawk. Lower power than the R6 but more torque and more forgiving. Plus they're cheaper to own and operate.

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^^^this man speaks truth



Pretty much everyone on here is going to tell you to stay away from a sport bike as a first bike.

Also, have you thought about insurance.....a 16 year old with an R6....dude it's gonna be insane $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$

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From my experience, most of the guys I've known that get 'something small/tame' to learn on, regret it after a couple of months. Get something you will be happy with for a long time. Just take it easy for awhile, and don't get stupid with it.

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Ok ill keep looking

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What does your Dad say?
My dad said not over 600 lol

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Look for an SV or 599 and you'll be fine. Or you gan go for a real beater for your 1st to play it safe... Older CB or XS or something.

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05 kawasaki z750?

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i dont see a difference between r6 and sv650...
OP, just so you know the difference:
R6 -108hp, 41 foot-pounds of torque. All that at above 170mph
sv650 -68 hp 44 foot-pounds of torque. all this at around 130mph

SV is perfect beginners bike whih has strong mid range torque for some good fun on the street



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05 kawasaki z750?
What about this or a gsxr 600?

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05 kawasaki z750?
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What about this or a gsxr 600?
A gixxer is the same as far as your concerned

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Now you're talkin
Found one for 3500

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Found one for 3500
Kawasaki or the gixxer?

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Z750 is a good solid learner friendly bike, a riding buddy of mine just moved up to one after some time on a ninja 250 and loves it. Took it for a spin myself, nice predictable power delivery and a decent size for someone of your proportions (being only 5'3" I was barely able to ride it at all thanks to the wide seat.)

Having owned an R6 for two years I would NOT recommend one for someone who hasn't ridden before, mine was an evil mistress who tempted me into thrashing her often!

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nobody outgrows a ninja 250. sorry, it just doesn't happen. it just forces people to work on their skills more. a ninja 250 is a GREAT bike to start out on, regardless of height/weight unless you're like 350+ lbs lol. its not only a great bike to start out on, but its also a great bike to brush up on and improve your technical skills as well.

to OP: you need to get a bike that has less than 90 hp, end of discussion. the reason for this is because when you're on a bike, its very easy to get in over your head and you dont have the safety nets that you have when in a car. also, everything you think you know about driving gets thrown out the window when you get on a bike. what may be natural or instinctive in a car will get you killed on a bike if you're caught in a bad situation.

there's a lot more to trying to pick out a good starting bike than just hp, torque, and overall weight. you also have to pay attention to rider position, center of gravity, maintenance, rake/trail (they do affect high speed maneuvers as well as low speed), and abundance of parts (you WILL drop it, the question is:when).

an sv560 is a GREAT bike to start out on for all the points listed above not only in this thread but also in other threads. the ninja 250 is also a great bike to start out on, as is the ninja 500.

any idiot can go fast in a straight line, but most people cant take corners for shit whether its a car or bike. a ninja 250 will easily give the 2.3 mustang turbo a run for its money from light to light as well as in the twisties, so dont think you're lacking for anything when you look at anything other than an r6 (a bad choice) or a gixxer (also a bad choice).

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At 16 years old, I would enjoy that Mustang for a year or so and then start looking for a street bike. A lot of crazy people and a lot of beginner driving mistakes to get out of the way. I would rather make those mistakes in a car than on a bike.

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Im set on the kawasaki whats the numbers on it and how comfortable is it

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Im set on the kawasaki whats the numbers on it and how comfortable is it
i think the z750 will be too big/too much for you, sorry. sv650 is the way to go

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Somoen said it's the weight of bike that is a problem.... WTF really?

My GSX-R1000 weighs the same as an SV650. Might as well do the 1000 based on that logic.
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nobody outgrows a ninja 250. sorry, it just doesn't happen. it just forces people to work on their skills more. a ninja 250 is a GREAT bike to start out on, regardless of height/weight unless you're like 350+ lbs lol. its not only a great bike to start out on, but its also a great bike to brush up on and improve your technical skills as well.

to OP: you need to get a bike that has less than 90 hp, end of discussion. the reason for this is because when you're on a bike, its very easy to get in over your head and you dont have the safety nets that you have when in a car. also, everything you think you know about driving gets thrown out the window when you get on a bike. what may be natural or instinctive in a car will get you killed on a bike if you're caught in a bad situation.

there's a lot more to trying to pick out a good starting bike than just hp, torque, and overall weight. you also have to pay attention to rider position, center of gravity, maintenance, rake/trail (they do affect high speed maneuvers as well as low speed), and abundance of parts (you WILL drop it, the question is:when).

an sv560 is a GREAT bike to start out on for all the points listed above not only in this thread but also in other threads. the ninja 250 is also a great bike to start out on, as is the ninja 500.

any idiot can go fast in a straight line, but most people cant take corners for shit whether its a car or bike. a ninja 250 will easily give the 2.3 mustang turbo a run for its money from light to light as well as in the twisties, so dont think you're lacking for anything when you look at anything other than an r6 (a bad choice) or a gixxer (also a bad choice).
Lol the 2.3 has 400hp and weighs 2850. And thanks for the advice i think im goin either z750 or ninja

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I'd highly recommend taking the MSF course.

You're going to have lots of friends telling you their version of what's right and wrong for riding a motorcycle.

If this was learning to play a musical instrument or a video game ( you know, things that won't KILL you ), I'd say you're OK.

But in this instance, since you can't have a solid basis for what is solid/good advice, take the MSF new rider course.

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