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Only standard calibers. It's either sell it or take it to a metals recycler for melt down. If you reload, I can help. I'll give you the cream of the crop with decent savings off of new stuff. P.M. me if there is something you need and let me see if I can help.

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I've always thaught that reloading would be an awesome hobby for me. I can almost see it being a zen-like relaxing art form. Kinda like crafting bonzai trees or arranging rock gardens.

I'm not technically in the market at this time, but any cheap 40S&W you end up with I may be interested in.

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i could be interesed in any
9mm
44mag
.270
7mm mag
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i have alot of the above aready so wont be paying top $ for anything but would not having extra. my goal is to 1k rounds loaded at all times for all the above. damn near there on the .223 and 9mm others are still way off

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I highly reccoment having 1000 rounds per gun.
I'll check on 30-30, along with 44mag.
The cost should be 1/2 of what Midway would charge, shipping is actual cost.

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Your not giving up the guns are you?

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I've always thaught that reloading would be an awesome hobby for me. I can almost see it being a zen-like relaxing art form. Kinda like crafting bonzai trees or arranging rock gardens.

I'm not technically in the market at this time, but any cheap 40S&W you end up with I may be interested in.
C'mon, you know that you want this setup taking up the corner of your garage.....


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Offer something useful....like primers of all varieties. I've had large rifle on backorder with Cabelas for over 3 months now. I've got watches setup on a few other sites, but they are always sold out by the time I get home after receiving the alert. The 1 local joint I can find them at sells them for $25 for 100...almost 10x the price of Cabelas.

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C'mon, you know that you want this setup taking up the corner of your garage.....

Sure do. I've no desire to reload shotshells but multiple large pistol calibers would be useful.

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Offer something useful....like primers of all varieties. I've had large rifle on backorder with Cabelas for over 3 months now. I've got watches setup on a few other sites, but they are always sold out by the time I get home after receiving the alert. The 1 local joint I can find them at sells them for $25 for 100...almost 10x the price of Cabelas.
Midway has been getting them in regularly, although you have to move within 10 minutes of receiving the email.

I'm quite lucky; primers are readily available here.

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So while we are kinda on subject, anyone shoot the Beretta PX4? Looks like it will be next to be added to the collection.

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how much would it cost to get set up to load 1 caliber... .45auto...

nothing fancy and i don't care if it is slow....

i remember something once about a "lee handloader" but i wasnt sure if it was safe....

i would like to load for myself...



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Offer something useful....like primers of all varieties. I've had large rifle on backorder with Cabelas for over 3 months now. I've got watches setup on a few other sites, but they are always sold out by the time I get home after receiving the alert. The 1 local joint I can find them at sells them for $25 for 100...almost 10x the price of Cabelas.
Sorry, I can't hold everyones hand. If you don't have certain supplies, you got to get in the que in a couple places at once. I usually have 3-4 thousand varied primers floating around, plus 5 pounds of powder or more.
Face it, it's tough out there.l EVERYONE is stockpiling.

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how much would it cost to get set up to load 1 caliber... .45auto...

nothing fancy and i don't care if it is slow....

i remember something once about a "lee handloader" but i wasnt sure if it was safe....

i would like to load for myself...
If you are a quirky kind of excentric, get the Lee hand-job.
Spend about 300-450 for a good single stage and everything needed:

press
powder scale
powder thrower
dies (get CARBIDE SIZER!)
loading block
primer pocket brushes
case tumbler
case trimmer
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Load up a couple thousand rounds of 45 and your loading set-up is paid for.

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how much would it cost to get set up to load 1 caliber... .45auto...

nothing fancy and i don't care if it is slow....

i remember something once about a "lee handloader" but i wasnt sure if it was safe....

i would like to load for myself...

Here is some stuff I have been looking at

Turret Press $87
MidwayUSA - Lee Classic 4 Hole Turret Press

Powder measure $34
MidwayUSA - Lee Pro Auto-Disk Powder Measure

Powder riser $8
MidwayUSA - Lee Auto-Disk Powder Measure Riser

Turret $9
MidwayUSA - Lee 4 Hole, Classic 4 Hole Turret Press Turret

Dies $40
MidwayUSA - Lee Deluxe Carbide 4-Die Set 45 ACP

About $180 in equipment.
Then you need powder, Primers, cases and bullets. Powder and primers are about $25 for a 1000rds worth. Cases and bullets are more.

This is beyond what you were looking for but would make it nice and easy. There are other brands and models of course. This is just what I already had on a wish list. I am currently all RCBS but all manual.

The press is the most.

Single stage - $$ - slow
Turret press - $$$ - fast
Progressive - $$$$ - really fast

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Man! I've got to tell you; I am a member of ST-Owners.com, which is a GREAT forum for all things related to ST1100/ST1300/Pan European. I really enjoy those guys, although they tend to limit discussion on topics the mods feel are "controversial" (i.e. firearms and ownership thereof). That's perfectly within their right, and I abide the rules, as it's just too good a resource to loose. But, it is REFRESHING to see that this forum allows free speech regarding firearms without any undue censorship.

Good job folks! BTW - I reload on a Dillon 650 with all the whistles and bells. I'm currently set up for 9mm, 38, 357, 40S&W, 44 Mag, 45LC, 45ACP. I load rifle and 500S&W on a single-stage Rockchucker Supreme. I, too, am having difficulty locating primers these days. Found a shop in Tulsa that had plenty, but wouldn't sell them to me unless I also bought bullets from them.

I've got plenty of bullets, powder and cases, but am a bit shy on primers.

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Man! I've got to tell you; I am a member of ST-Owners.com, which is a GREAT forum for all things related to ST1100/ST1300/Pan European. I really enjoy those guys, although they tend to limit discussion on topics the mods feel are "controversial" (i.e. firearms and ownership thereof). That's perfectly within their right, and I abide the rules, as it's just too good a resource to loose. But, it is REFRESHING to see that this forum allows free speech regarding firearms without any undue censorship.

Good job folks! BTW - I reload on a Dillon 650 with all the whistles and bells. I'm currently set up for 9mm, 38, 357, 40S&W, 44 Mag, 45LC, 45ACP. I load rifle and 500S&W on a single-stage Rockchucker Supreme. I, too, am having difficulty locating primers these days. Found a shop in Tulsa that had plenty, but wouldn't sell them to me unless I also bought bullets from them.

I've got plenty of bullets, powder and cases, but am a bit shy on primers.

Sorry for the hijack.

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No sorry necessary. Boy, the Dillon is the way to go. I've got an S&W 500 myself. Sure wished we lived closer. We'd waste some water filled jugs together.
BTW, I found some 460 S&W brass the other day. What a freakin' monster that round is!

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Man! I've got to tell you; I am a member of ST-Owners.com, which is a GREAT forum for all things related to ST1100/ST1300/Pan European. I really enjoy those guys, although they tend to limit discussion on topics the mods feel are "controversial" (i.e. firearms and ownership thereof). That's perfectly within their right, and I abide the rules, as it's just too good a resource to loose. But, it is REFRESHING to see that this forum allows free speech regarding firearms without any undue censorship.

Good job folks! BTW - I reload on a Dillon 650 with all the whistles and bells. I'm currently set up for 9mm, 38, 357, 40S&W, 44 Mag, 45LC, 45ACP. I load rifle and 500S&W on a single-stage Rockchucker Supreme. I, too, am having difficulty locating primers these days. Found a shop in Tulsa that had plenty, but wouldn't sell them to me unless I also bought bullets from them.

I've got plenty of bullets, powder and cases, but am a bit shy on primers.

Sorry for the hijack.

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steve... we specialize in hi-jacks here..... you are gonna fit riiiight in with the rest ... ...

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TOTAL BONUS: Setting up for reloading 500 S&W just now, and found 300 .44cal 240 gr JHP bullets I didn't remember having. Tits!

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TOTAL BONUS: Setting up for reloading 500 S&W just now, and found 300 .44cal 240 gr JHP bullets I didn't remember having. Tits!
Cool beans! I really like Hornady's 240gr JHP. My load for that bullet is:

24.9gr. of W296, OAL 1.600"


My loads for 500 S&W are:

400gr. Cast Performance WFNGC bullet over 38gr. of H110/W296, OAL 2.026"
350gr. Sierra JHP bullet over 39.6gr W296, OAL 2.054"

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Very nice. I'm setting up for 150 Sierra 350's at this moment. Going to push them out with H110.
Lead? I use Lead Head 440GC's/H110. Real palm busters.

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you know Bigdaaaaaaa... your alright in my book. wanna come pollute, kill, and generally have a crazy good time and do some riding when we aren't hurtling projectiles at inatimate objects?? i know some people who could let you sample some good things...maybe an f/a H&k 416?

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If you guys need some of this stuff, better grab it. I'm sorting calibers and polishing now. Then it's sort by quality, then it's bag/tag and post on GunsAmerica.I looked at the prices of Midway brass and shiit fell out of my ass right on the floor. Apparently, I have not bought brass in a while! My price will be half of what Midway charges for Starline brass OR LESS plus flat rate shipping(thanks for turning me on to that, Vince)
I'll ship little quantities for as cheap a rate as I can find. I'm told a flat rate box is $12.95 and I think that is like the equivalent of 1,000 to 2,000 pieces of 45 auto(correct me if I'm mistaken, Vince)
Scrat, I'd love to shoot at things in your part of Free America, if you accept a dude that doesn't drink anything stronger than Sasparilla.

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Hey Dave, how ya doin? Long time no converse.

I hate to be the one to put a damper on the ammo stockpiling party, but there is a condition that can possibly occur with handloads that have been stored for a long time.

I load .308 for a couple of AR10s and an M1A. My load is the standard match load which is fairly modest. 42.5g 4064 with a Sierra 168 in Federal or LC Match. I was blowing primers on the Fed brass and every neck split on the LC Match stuff. I couldn't figure out what was going on sso I called my pals at Sierra. The first thing thay asked me was "how long has it been loaded ?" I didn't write down the date, but I assumed that at least 5 years.

The guy at Siera told me that over time the brass develops a "death grip" on the bullet and high pressures can develop. They load just before they are going to shoot. I have adopted this. All my brass is primed and ready sealed in plastic bags in steel ammo cans. I keep all the componants at the ready. But I don't assemble until the Zombies are coming over the hill.

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Hey Dave, how ya doin? Long time no converse.

I hate to be the one to put a damper on the ammo stockpiling party, but there is a condition that can possibly occur with handloads that have been stored for a long time.

I load .308 for a couple of AR10s and an M1A. My load is the standard match load which is fairly modest. 42.5g 4064 with a Sierra 168 in Federal or LC Match. I was blowing primers on the Fed brass and every neck split on the LC Match stuff. I couldn't figure out what was going on sso I called my pals at Sierra. The first thing thay asked me was "how long has it been loaded ?" I didn't write down the date, but I assumed that at least 5 years.

The guy at Siera told me that over time the brass develops a "death grip" on the bullet and high pressures can develop. They load just before they are going to shoot. I have adopted this. All my brass is primed and ready sealed in plastic bags in steel ammo cans. I keep all the componants at the ready. But I don't assemble until the Zombies are coming over the hill.

If you have any doubts or questions call Sierra.
I suppose this is possible, but I've got Israeli, South African and Lake City ammo that is decades old and I haven't experienced any such problems. (5.56 and 30-06). I've also got .44Mag loads (albeit relatively low-pressure Cowboy loads) that have been sitting for at least 5 years with no apparent issues either. To each his/her own, but it hasn't been a problem for me.

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If you'll reread what I wrote, you will notice I was talking about handloads, not surplus military ammo.

Most mil stuff has the necks annealed. Handloaded brass has been stretched and squeezed, work hardened.

As always I will stand by my statment.

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If you'll reread what I wrote, you will notice I was talking about handloads, not surplus military ammo.

Most mil stuff has the necks annealed. Handloaded brass has been stretched and squeezed, work hardened.

As always I will stand by my statment.

I'll concede that you did in fact say handloaded. If you'll reread what I wrote you will notice that I also included reloaded .44Mag. Many of these rounds have been loaded, fired and reloaded four, five six times with no ill effects.

Reloading is a touchy subject and I'm not suggesting that anyone follow my lead. But I am suggesting that my results have not borne out the effects you indicate, i.e. signs of over-pressure. I also have in the past long-term stockpiled thousands of rounds of reloaded .38 Special, .40S&W and .45ACP with no issues. Furthermore, I have for years purchased re-manufactured .223 from Georgia Arms, none of which is annealed, and none of which have ever exhibited the traits you mention - even after setting for 2-3 years.

Again, I state that I can imagine it happening with certain brass, run through the reloading process some unspecified number of cycles, with an unspecified crimp, but I have yet to experience such a problem in real life.

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My good friend, I am doing well. I'm happy to get any info on reloading. I'd like as much info on this death grip thing as possible. The more science the better. The most important aspect you mentioned was "high pressure". Any loader, private or industrial will read through any article on loading and immediately key off of those two words. You and I and any body with a balistician mind would know that.
Now. I can proceed here and describe what I know from 29 years of loading experience.
I have ammo I loaded in the early 90's consisting of 357 Mag, 44 Mag, 223 Rem, 7.62 Russian, 30-06 Springfield, 458 Win Mag., 30-30 Win. Except for the 30-30, which I no longer own, but my bud who bought it and shoots off some of the 300 reloads I sold along with the rifle to him, I shoot this ammo regularly in a rotate stock kind of manner. That means the oldest stuff goes, which explains why there is no more 80's stuff. One thing all of this ammo has in common is the following:
1)The lubricant, when used, is sprayed on, case sized, decapped.
2)All have had the primer pockets cleaned with the pocket brush jigged up in a Makita driver drill(really clean).
3)All cases are then polished in Walnut media until bright shiny. This tends to remove residue inside also.
Now, while I cannot say that I know what pressure these rounds are putting down, I can say that I've never had a stuck bottleneck case(a clear sign of overpressure and or dirty chamber)
However, some revolver rounds have been a bit sticky(always with 5% less than max or more loads of H110 powder in 357, 44 or 500)
Never have I had a squib load, except the once in my Mini where I suspect that I had a zero powder load.
Anyway, I have 5000 reloads sitting out there waiting for me to blow them off. I would like info on stuck bullets, my esteemed amigo. I'll be the first to tell you if any of these muthas hand grenaded me.

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Remember when Moly coating bullets was the thing to do? I ended up hating that crap.


I had high pressure in 223 and 308. Both were with Moly coated bullets. I called Sierra (I call Sierra whenever I have any doubts), they won't shoot Moly anything in their barrels. They say Moly isn't bad if you clean your barrel immediately. However if you leave it in your barrels, it will draw moisture and turn to sulfuric acid and harm your rifling.

I have some Moly reloads around yet. they are nearly gone. What I do is seat them a few thousands deeper just before I shoot them. That way I have the bullet "broken loose". They often pop when I break em loose, like a stuck bolt.

Bigdaa, glad to hear from you as well. I still have that cannon hull you sent me. Lately I've rediscovered the rimfires. It started with a Ruger 77/17 that I rebarreled with a Volquartzen. Then I had to do a 22lr, then my old Kimber got a Krieger. Now I'm looking to do a 10/22.

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I'm kinda wanting to convert one of my 10-22's into a 17 MachII. If I had the yingum, I'd do it now but I have other things that require cash in the que right now. You know, we were talking about high pressure. Get this.....I found 20 rounds of 460 S&W brass, once fired in the hills the other day. My youngest and I were sorting brass day before yesterday and he says "Dad, look. One of these big boys doesn't have a primer" He is only 9, but I guess I'm teaching the little scamp well, cause he is right on the money. One of those rounds blew it's primer out! Factory ammunition! Boom! Kinda blew me away. I swear, if I was financially solvent I'd have one of those in the stable. Very versitile(sp?) 45 Colt, 454 Casull and 460 S&W. You can load lambs to lions in that baby.
The 500 is still the turd duster it's always been. I fired it so much all the screws lossened up, so I did a cleaning and Loc-Tight party one day. I still get a kick out of sharing it with friends and family. Get's to be a bit expensive, but that's what a good uncle/brother/friend is all about.
I got to get loading here, as soon as I can get all this polishing of brass located in an area that doesn't interfere with my loading work. I got about 500 of each 44 and 357 to get out of the way, 150 of 500S&W and about 100 458 Win Mag. Think I'll down load the 357 cause the wife doesn't like the muzzle flash and report. It's her gun, ya know. Maybe I'll stick all those 125 JHP's in 38 cases. That's the ticket.
Hey, sniper. Wasn't it you who sent me the Illinois Bike plate withe the 357 holes in it? Or was that Indiana? I still have it.

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good to see ya back Bigdaa...looking for .45 and 308/357/223 once fired

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good to see ya back Bigdaa...looking for .45 and 308/357/223 once fired

Doooooooooooooooooood!
I got some 223 in commercial headstamp and mil crimp primer mixed. All of it is once fired. It's polished. I figure I got 400-500(let me count them up). Midway wants $104.00/500 for new plus shipping. I can give it to you for $55.00/500 plus shipping. Flat rate USPS is $12.95. If there is room left in the pack, I can stuff some once fired 45 auto in there for about 9 cents apiece. Midway is $84.49/500 Starline.
Send me a PM if you want to pull the trigger on this deal.
Oh, any 357 I got once fired is 7 cents a piece(mixed brass and nickel plate). All this stuff is polished real purdy.

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I got 30-06
223
40 S&W
45 ACP
30-30 win

ALL ONCE FIRED AND POLISHED BRIGHT AND SHINY
Ready to go.
I can't believe nobody needs this shtuff! I'm ready to buy dies for 45 and 40 if this doesn't ship!

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