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post #1 of 28 Old 08-06-2013, 04:55 PM Thread Starter
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What kind of Chain for the 919?

Hey Guys,

This is the first time that I own a motorcycle where I am actually due for a new chain....(maybe sprockets who knows).

What kind of chain do you guys have on your 919's?

Also, I wana just change the chain by myself and not have the shop do it. Seems like it would not be a difficult task. But I am obviously open for advice on this, too.

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DID X-ring for me.

You should always replace the chain and sprockets at the same time. It's pretty easy, just need to get a chain breaker/ riveting tool.

Sprocket Center has pretty good chain/ sprocket combos... also can PM LDH and he may get you a good deal.

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You should always replace the chain and sprockets at the same time.
Meh. I usually go through 2-3 chains before I change out my sprockets. I usually get about 18k miles per set of chains. But, as the cliched expression goes, YMMV


Both my 919 and SV650 have got EK X-ring chains on them. Seems to work as well as any other brand.



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DID only..... replace sprockets with chain... plain n simple.

Steel rear sprocket as well.

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Meh. I usually go through 2-3 chains before I change out my sprockets. I usually get about 18k miles per set of chains. But, as the cliched expression goes, YMMV


Both my 919 and SV650 have got EK X-ring chains on them. Seems to work as well as any other brand.
Interesting, I can see steel doing better with different chains. Alu, I dont know...

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Meh. I usually go through 2-3 chains before I change out my sprockets. I usually get about 18k miles per set of chains. But, as the cliched expression goes, YMMV


Both my 919 and SV650 have got EK X-ring chains on them. Seems to work as well as any other brand.
That's pretty good results. I have always heard that sprockets that are already worn will cause the chain to wear faster. Never tried it without changing sprockets too. Good to see an alternate approach.

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OREGON brand 72LGX/JGX , 73LGX/JGX , 75LGX/JGX chainsaw chain

try that one.

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I have a did zvm-x that's doing great so far. I run 15/45 instead of the stock 16/43. I wouldn't recommend it. I think next round I'm going 16/45.

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All the top brands are fine. Tensile strength and routine care are the keys to longivity. The EK 530zzz @1,100# for under $200 seems to be the better value now. Oh, and unless you have to shave every last ounce off a dedicated track bike, stay with 530 and steel sprockets.
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Replacement chains were DID X-Ring with stock gearing.

I clean them with a rag moist with WD40 and lube with BelRay PJ-1 spraylube when appropriate.

I think the key to longevity is cleaning, lubrication, proper adjustment/alignment, and change the sprockets when you start to see wear.



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DID is highly recommended around here (and for good reason); they were one of Honda's original suppliers for the 919 chain. The other supplier is RK Chain - in other words, the 919 came from the factory with either a DID or an RK chain. If you went to Honda and bought another chain, it will usually be a DID or RK box with a Honda genuine parts sticker inside a plastic envelope (envelope sometimes not present). I have one of those here if anyone wants to see a picture of it; Honda, therefore, thinks you can't go wrong with either DID or RK.

As for the sprockets, the 919 shipped with Sunstar-manufactured steel sprockets front and rear. The front Honda one is different from the aftermarket-available Sunstar sprockets in that it has some sort of rubber damper ring; I don't know how important that is technically (I think it's there to dampen chain noise) but the bikes with the aftermarket Sunstar sprockets don't seem to suffer any from the lack of it. The stock rear sprocket is identical to the Sunstar aftermarket offering, IIRC it even still has the Sunstar logo on it.

While the 919 shipped with only Sunstar sprockets, JT Sprocket is another OEM supplier for Honda and many Hondas of all sizes come with JT-made sprockets. So that's another maker that Honda endorses, even if not for the 919 specifically.

Bottom line, if you want to stick close to what the Honda mothership thinks is good without paying dealer prices, DID or RK for the chain and Sunstar, possibly JT for the sprockets. DID and Sunstar would be the top choice, but RK/JT isn't far behind and in most common use you will probably see no practical difference.

As for what I'm running - RK X-Ring "XSO" chain and JT Sprockets, because when I needed a chain and sprockets I was able to find a great deal immediately, I knew all the above already, and I've had good experiences with JT sprockets in the past. I have almost 20,000 miles out of them and judging by chain stretch and sprocket wear I probably have another 10,000 left before I have to think about replacing them (I have an automatic chain oiler.) What's going on my 919 next? I found some screaming deals on eBay over the past year on Sunstar sprockets and an OEM Honda Genuine Parts DID X-Ring chain, so those will go on next as they are currently sitting in my parts cabinet. That said, I had months go by between getting each of the three parts. If I needed another driveset today and the RK/JT combo deal was still active, I'd jump on that quite happily with no concern that I was diminishing the quality or longevity of the bike.

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Great info! Thank you!


I have not yet thought about the size either... Is it recommended to go up in size? Like 16/45 instead 16/43?


Also, my bike is an '03 and this is the first time it's getting a new chain/sprockets with 19,176 miles on it.

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17/44 seems to be the "in" ratio


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17/44 is slightly higher. Less rpm at speed. Supposedly makes the stock speedo right on. 15/45 is a lot lower than stock and I get crazy acceleration. I am about 4400 rpm at 60 mph. I'd be happier at 4000 or so personally.

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Hmm looks like ill be going with the17/44 sprockets and either a erv3 520 or a zrv-m 520 chain.


There is a slight price difference... The the zrv a better quality?

Edit: I mean a ZVM - X not ZRV- M

Also the sprockets are made by AFAM

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DID X-ring for me.

You should always replace the chain and sprockets at the same time. It's pretty easy, just need to get a chain breaker/ riveting tool.

Sprocket Center has pretty good chain/ sprocket combos... also can PM LDH and he may get you a good deal.

Good luck!
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There is a massive thread (current as well) on all of this already...

https://www.wristtwisters.com/forums/...its-23725.html

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Meh. I usually go through 2-3 chains before I change out my sprockets. I usually get about 18k miles per set of chains. But, as the cliched expression goes, YMMV


Both my 919 and SV650 have got EK X-ring chains on them. Seems to work as well as any other brand.
Interesting you should note that, as I just changed my stock SV chain at 17.5K yesterday. The sprockets looked really good for that mileage, so I left them.

I went el-cheapo and threw on a DID roller chain for the SV650. Been in the doghouse lately because of my moto-purchases, and it doesn't get ridden nearly as much so I figured I might skimp.

On the 919, definitely will go for an O or X ring high quality chain as she's my daily driver. I take good care of the 919 chain and don't ride hard so I'm hoping it'll last til 25K or so.

As for master links...I know rivet is better than clip style...but has anyone actually ever had a bad experience with a clip master link?

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As for master links...I know rivet is better than clip style...but has anyone actually ever had a bad experience with a clip master link?
I've personally seen them fail in my lifetime. When they do they can create a lot of force and bust the engine case which I have also seen result in a loss of control and hospital stay for the riders.

Not worth the risk to me...

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Saw a buddy's CB750 Nighthawk have a new clip-type master link clip come off while riding. He rode over one day and I happened to notice something looked odd about his chain when he rolled up. Turned out the clip was gone, the sideplate was gone and the rest of the master link was 1/3rd of the way out of the chain.

This was an RK or EK with a matching maker clip link, not China Chain, and it was less than 4 years ago.

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Interesting, I'll have to pick up a rivet style sometime soon for the SV.

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Can somebody tell me what kind of tool it is that I will need to Break the chain and put the new one together?


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I've been using this one for the last several months. Been very happy with it so far. It is the cheapest one I have ever owned, but it is holding up exceptionally well and is pretty easy to use/manipulate.

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I just used it about 25 minutes ago. It really is the easiest to use chain tool I have ever owned or even used in a shop...




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I just used it about 25 minutes ago. It really is the easiest to use chain tool I have ever owned or even used in a shop...
Did you get a 919 LDH?

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Did you get a 919 LDH?
No sir, why do you ask?

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I think he's referring to your pics of using said tool on what appears to be a 919.

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