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The best part of that article was them going after the car companies for false MPG ratings, it's about time

I don't know about your side of the pond or in the U.S but here in Canada they are just downright lie about the MPG rating. It's false advertising and I'm glad they are finally going after them.

Here in Canada apparently:

Dodge 1/2ton gets 36mpg Real world testing shows 25mpg at best
Ford 1/2ton gets 30mpg
Dodge Dart gets 59mpg Real world testing shows 36mpg

that's just a few I can think of right now, absolutely retarded.

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Dodge Dart gets 59mpg Real world testing shows 36mpg
Those numbers are laughable at best! I think my Honda Rebel 250 gets around 60Mpg

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i wouldnt say turbos are NOT the answer... but its the lies of the MPG rating. Turbos definitely allow for a more efficient engine which will provide better MPG's

What really needs to happen here in the USA is the adoption that EVERYWHERE ELSE in the world has done... and thats the use of small Turbocharged Direct Inject Diesels / Diesel motors in general.... but the corruption of oil money in politics simply wont allow that / makes it real hard.

Prime example, toyota Hilux (tacoma) has a 3.0L inline 4 direct injected tuborchaged diesel. Makes ~ 170HP / 260Ftlbs while being able to pull 33MPG ... only real option for the tacoma here in the states is the 4.0L gasser v6 236hp / 260ftlbs (which is a great motor)... but your lucky for 20MPG.

I would KILL for a tacoma with the 3.0L diesel.

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Here in Canada apparently:

Dodge 1/2ton gets 36mpg Real world testing shows 25mpg at best
Ford 1/2ton gets 30mpg
Dodge Dart gets 59mpg Real world testing shows 36mpg

that's just a few I can think of right now, absolutely retarded.
I think they messed up when converting from metric, holy crap.

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I used the search vehicle function on fuelly.com to check out some possible cars before committing to a purchase, particularly to have a look at smaller, turbo-charged engine, and couldn't find the evidence that they would prove to be very economical...I'm happy that i ended up a VCM-equipped Honda [Accord-type] that gives me 27mpg average, and an open-road best to date of 33mpg.

Fuel economy is becoming increasingly important here, as we're currently paying the equivalent of around US$6.70 per US gallon, which is about TWICE as much as the prices indicated here:

Gasoline and Diesel Fuel Update - Energy Information Administration

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... and here in ventura county CA we have some of the highest gas prices in the nation... just paid 4.10 today for regular.... bah

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we have 200 years worth of oil in this country that they know of in the USA and they wont drill...so theres probably an endless supply.....can you blame the auto makers trying to get one past the scumbag government. ... and usually people who try to get 40 mpg usually creep me the hell out anyway,,,they buy a botton of the line car,,dont eat meat love obama and pretty much look like they eat there veggies 24/7 .....

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...usually people who try to get 40 mpg usually creep me the hell out anyway,,,they buy a botton of the line car,,dont eat meat love obama and pretty much look like they eat there veggies 24/7 .....
Yeah, I feel the same about people who mess up their spelling and punctuation.

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Yeah, I feel the same about people who mess up their spelling and punctuation.

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They've got it covered on the diesels as well (the oil co). They charge more for the diesel than premium regular, at least up here in the NW. So unless you're getting VW TDI numbers, the savings in gas isn't as much as it seems.

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Yeah, I feel the same about people who mess up their spelling and punctuation.

Prejudice is a funny thing, isn't it?
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we have 200 years worth of oil in this country that they know of in the USA and they wont drill...so theres probably an endless supply.....can you blame the auto makers trying to get one past the scumbag government. ... and usually people who try to get 40 mpg usually creep me the hell out anyway,,,they buy a botton of the line car,,dont eat meat love obama and pretty much look like they eat there veggies 24/7 .....

And how's Dev doing, mate? We don't hear much from him these days...

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i cant wait for the latest race info,,,couldent sleep last nigh,,,please let me know when Valentino Rossi burps and farts.....thanks

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Yeah, now that you point it out, I can see my mistake in posting motorcycle racing news to the clearly-marked Racing section of a motorcycle forum board - what was I even thinking?

But now I can see the error of my ways, and maybe I'll deserve a...[wait for it]...second chance!!

Ba-doom Tish!!

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I like to see what these "real world" test modes are. I have never had trouble geting as good or better mileage out of a car than what was posted on the maroni label.

Maybe poeple should learn how to drive. Then they would get better fuel mileage and stop driving off the road with their right foot firmly on the gas only to blame the car. God forbid its actually the person at the controls fault.

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i wouldnt say turbos are NOT the answer... but its the lies of the MPG rating. Turbos definitely allow for a more efficient engine which will provide better MPG's

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What really needs to happen here in the USA is the adoption that EVERYWHERE ELSE in the world has done... and thats the use of small Turbocharged Direct Inject Diesels / Diesel motors in general....
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For sure, and look at the 4 cylinder D I gasoline turbo Audi engine, like the one my friend has in his A4. It makes shockingly high torque numbers at low RPMs, ala diesel, but not with diesel numbers.

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Absolutely this would help, although fuel eff'y is narrowing as compared to a well done D I turbo gasoline engine against a smog design diesel, where one key anti nitrogen oxide strategy is reduced coolant temp, and higher coolant temps are one of the reasons diesels do as well as they do on fuel consumption. Interesting also is the very sophisticated injection on highly controlled D I diesels. I've read of as many as 5 distinct injection events for each combustion cycle. 1st is sort of a pre-event to load up the piston all the way down to the big end on the con rod, as well as piston side to cylinder wall - this is where some of classic diesel engine "clanky" noise reduction is coming from. Fascinating stuff !

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That report was really based on some inaccurate data compared to my experience with my Chevy Cruze. If they were not getting 30+ mpg then perhaps they need to be better educated on the mechanics of driving efficiently. I get about 33 mpg and to be honest I don't really drive for efficiency, especially on the highway (where I actually get mpg's) I'm real happy with my purchase and the mileage I get with it.

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we have 200 years worth of oil in this country that they know of in the USA and they wont drill...so theres probably an endless supply.....can you blame the auto makers trying to get one past the scumbag government. ... and usually people who try to get 40 mpg usually creep me the hell out anyway,,,they buy a botton of the line car,,dont eat meat love obama and pretty much look like they eat there veggies 24/7 .....

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Well, I will be honest. I am not trying to get the best mileage. I'm just trying to spend less on gas, lol. I drove my Ram quadcab for about 5 years and if I honestly sat down to figure out how much it cost me in gas I'd probably be upset. I'm on a vehicle allowance through work so to be fair I'm just trying to make it work for me rather than against me. I'm sure I will miss the truck the first time I need to do something with the bike that doesn't require riding it but I'll cross that bridge if I every come to it. As the old song goes... That's what friends are for.

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Trying to find the perfect blend of utility and fuel economy is a maddening exercise. I want AWD, 40mpg, ability to tow a small trailer, and some creature comforts.

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Trying to find the perfect blend of utility and fuel economy is a maddening exercise. I want AWD, 40mpg, ability to tow a small trailer, and some creature comforts.
Toyota Hilux (Tacoma) w/ the D-4D ... now if only toyota would bring em here to the states. everything but the mpg... which would be around 32ish.

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Toyota Hilux (Tacoma) w/ the D-4D ... now if only toyota would bring em here to the states. everything but the mpg... which would be around 32ish.
I'd buy that truck in a heartbeat! I've been wanting a Helix for a very long time now...

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Yeah but then they would totally kill the model of upgrading the looks of a truck every 2 years and forcing you to buy an upgrade. I'm pretty sure that the Hilux still looks the same as back when I last drove one in Desert Storm.

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Yeah but then they would totally kill the model of upgrading the looks of a truck every 2 years and forcing you to buy an upgrade. I'm pretty sure that the Hilux still looks the same as back when I last drove one in Desert Storm.
they could most definitely take the drivetrain out of the Hliux and pop it in the new body style every two years without a problem. i mean it is literally the same truck.

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Toyota Hilux (Tacoma) w/ the D-4D ... now if only toyota would bring em here to the states. everything but the mpg... which would be around 32ish.
I would jump on that in heartbeat.

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start sending emails / contacting toyota!!! i do it typically twice a month and badger them to bring the 3.0L d-4d over.

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