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Stalled 919...must be in neutral to restart?

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After buying an '07 919 from a friend, I was out around town today. Stopped at a friends house, and on departure, stalled the bike in his driveway.
No biggy, clutched in and tapped the start button... nothing.

Noticed the oil light came on. We looked and oil window looked ok, but engine wouldn't turn over or anything. a bit of harried screwing around and we found that put the bike back in neutral and it would start (I had been holding the clutch in when trying to start it while in gear). Also, no oil light after restart.

I just read through the manual. It appears that if I have the clutch in, it should restart in gear (as long as sidestand isn't down).

Also doesn't make any mention of a second purpose for the oil light (like it can mean something other than low oil).

Are either of these symptons common?

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If the engine isn't running, the oil light will be on. That is normal.
As far as the not staring issue, you probably have a bad contact on the clutch engagement switch. Not really a problem... Bike just won't start in gear. My Magna is the same way and I've never gotten around to fixing it. If the bike stalls, I just pop it into neutral and fire it up.



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just found an older post on the clutch switch... will have to check it. https://www.wristtwisters.com/forums/...itch-3598.html
Problem I'd have with this is if I managed to kill the engine at road speed, and then hit the clutch and starter.... I'd like it to start again without having to get to the side of the road

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Newb here....

After buying an '07 919 from a friend, I was out around town today. Stopped at a friends house, and on departure, stalled the bike in his driveway.
No biggy, clutched in and tapped the start button... nothing.

Noticed the oil light came on. We looked and oil window looked ok, but engine wouldn't turn over or anything. a bit of harried screwing around and we found that put the bike back in neutral and it would start (I had been holding the clutch in when trying to start it while in gear). Also, no oil light after restart.

I just read through the manual. It appears that if I have the clutch in, it should restart in gear (as long as sidestand isn't down).

Also doesn't make any mention of a second purpose for the oil light (like it can mean something other than low oil).

Are either of these symptons common?
Are you sure that you had the side stand up while trying to start it at your friend's house? If so, it's either an issue with your side stand switch or clutch switch. My guess if you may have one of the wires pulled off the clutch switch (easy to do).

The oil light is for low oil pressure and not low oil level. The light will come on when you shut the engine off.

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99% certain side stand wasn't down (mainly because for me to put it down is a pain... my big foot can barely find the little lever in front of the center stand kick point so putting it down is a production.)
I was rolling on the attempt to restart at first.
No biggy... check the wires and switches tomorrow.
In other threads here i saw mention of a 919 sticky post. gonna find that to see what things I want to eyeball at the same time i check the switch.
I have previous owner's service info, and all looks good there...

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just found an older post on the clutch switch... will have to check it. https://www.wristtwisters.com/f94/919...itch-3598.html
Problem I'd have with this is if I managed to kill the engine at road speed, and then hit the clutch and starter.... I'd like it to start again without having to get to the side of the road
Why would you need to hit the start button if you're at road speed already? Just let the clutch out in gear (with the key on, of course*) and your engine will re-start.

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Why would you need to hit the start button if you're at road speed already? Just let the clutch out in gear (with the key on, of course*) and your engine will re-start.
Sounds like he just started rolling, I'd probably find 2nd gear and ease the clutch out in that situation, granted the 919 doesn't have the engine braking of a v-twin.

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Sounds like he just started rolling, I'd probably find 2nd gear and ease the clutch out in that situation, granted the 919 doesn't have the engine braking of a v-twin.
My Tuono will slide the rear tire even in 3rd . I've never attempted to jump start it, nor do I really want to try, it'd probably buck me off!

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My Tuono will slide the rear tire even in 3rd . I've never attempted to jump start it, nor do I really want to try, it'd probably buck me off!
Last year at deals gap I was following a very green newbie on an sv650. A slight moment of inattention coming into a corner (as I was expecting to see brake lights) and next thing I know I'm showing him my front tire on the inside! He was relying on engine braking while I was relying on a brake light to tell me his intentions.

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He was relying on engine braking while I was relying on a brake light to tell me his intentions.

are you sure it wasn't other way around as far as noob comment goes?

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are you sure it wasn't other way around as far as noob comment goes?

j/k
After following the guy for 5 days and falling asleep half the time, no I'm not!

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After following the guy for 5 days and falling asleep half the time, no I'm not!
hahaha. gotcha

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just found an older post on the clutch switch... will have to check it. https://www.wristtwisters.com/forums/...itch-3598.html
Problem I'd have with this is if I managed to kill the engine at road speed, and then hit the clutch and starter.... I'd like it to start again without having to get to the side of the road
Your clutch still works, the electronic system just isn't recognizing that it works.
so if you managed to kill it at speed, squeeze in the clutch, shift to neutral, hit the starter, shift back to the appropriate gear (or just bang it up to like 5th or 6th if you aren't sure), and release the clutch slowly, if you aren't at the right gear shift to it.

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Are you sure that you had the side stand up while trying to start it at your friend's house? If so, it's either an issue with your side stand switch or clutch switch. My guess if you may have one of the wires pulled off the clutch switch (easy to do).
I'm not sure it's the side stand switch since the bike will run in gear... unless it's stalling for no good reason. Both are worth looking at either way.



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just found an older post on the clutch switch... will have to check it. https://www.wristtwisters.com/forums/...itch-3598.html
Problem I'd have with this is if I managed to kill the engine at road speed, and then hit the clutch and starter.... I'd like it to start again without having to get to the side of the road
The guy who wrote that older post on the clutch switch is one smart cookie.

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The guy who wrote that older post on the clutch switch is one smart cookie.
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That's one of UJM's old ID's.

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That's one of UJM's old ID's.
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I'm not sure it's the side stand switch since the bike will run in gear... unless it's stalling for no good reason...
Excellent point CJ. Didn't think about that. I was focused mainly on it not starting in gear.

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Confirmed clutch switch is shot. Contact cleaner wouldn't fix.

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