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post #1 of 24 Old 11-14-2016, 08:00 PM Thread Starter
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I have an 06 with 26,000 miles. It doesn't have any real problems with the engine. However I don't know if the valves have been checked.

I talked with a buyer and he was very concerned about the price because of the miles and I didn't have records any service from prior owner and I haven't done anything other than oil/filter/battery/etc... as nothing has been needed.

So, what is the "standard" things that should be check at or before 26,000 miles.

I'm thinking this would be a start.

1) Chain and sprockets
2) coolant flush and refill
3) fork seals
4) spark plugs
5) valve adjustment
6) tires
7) brake pads, disk thickness, fluid condition

Just to be clear, if we were talking about a car, they would say things like replace the timing belt, plugs, trans flush... etc.

I'm trying to find out what that would be on a 919 at this many miles.

When a buyer suggested that the valve adjustment at 18K was some $300, I really didn't know what to say except that the bike runs great.

I'm mostly interested in things that would cost a lot of labor, but my labor is cheap and I have the tools and skills.

Thanks for any insight.

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post #2 of 24 Old 11-15-2016, 06:01 AM
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If you have tools and are mechanically inclined you can do the valve check yourself there is a great write up on here on how to do it this would a good time to do plugs too as it's easier to get to them with everything out of the way

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If you have tools and are mechanically inclined you can do the valve check yourself there is a great write up on here on how to do it this would a good time to do plugs too as it's easier to get to them with everything out of the way
I saw one of those write ups, looks pretty straight forward. It's amazing how much they charge for some of this stuff. Labor really kills old bikes.

I don't know if it needs any adjustment, but one buyer brought it up a few times saying that it would be several hundred just to check.

The funny thing is that the bike runs awesome, so I doubt it needs any adjustment, but I'll go ahead and check. I wonder if there's some way to tell based on how the engine is running if it needs a valve adjustment.

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Only way to know is to check it yourself. However, I checked the valves for the first time at 40k miles and everything was in spec despite being ridden extremely hard.

I personally wouldn't worry about it. If your price is fair: then just wait for another buyer to come along if the current buyer gives you grief.

If you check it yourself, most buyers won't accept that as it wasn't done by a shop with paperwork to support the claim. A valve check on the 919 shouldn't cost more than $200 at the most. Again, 26k miles on these things are nothing.

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Only way to know is to check it yourself. However, I checked the valves for the first time at 40k miles and everything was in spec despite being ridden extremely hard.

I personally wouldn't worry about it. If your price is fair: then just wait for another buyer to come along if the current buyer gives you grief.

If you check it yourself, most buyers won't accept that as it wasn't done by a shop with paperwork to support the claim. A valve check on the 919 shouldn't cost more than $200 at the most. Again, 26k miles on these things are nothing.
The lowest I was quoted for a check was $300 ish plus another $150 or so if it needed an adjustment... After doing it once and seeing how relatively simple it is I will definitely never pay for one.

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Ouch bad! That's a crazy high quote. The 919 is really easy to check and adjust.

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Ouch bad! That's a crazy high quote. The 919 is really easy to check and adjust.
The first quote I got was over $400 just for the check!

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If you check it yourself, most buyers won't accept that as it wasn't done by a shop with paperwork to support the claim. ............... Again, 26k miles on these things are nothing.
Boy I'm in trouble then!

I have done all my own work from the start and now that it's an "old" bike, as stated above, I'm glad to know the condition of all the parts I've worked on.

Believe me, there are a LOT of things I've had apart since I've owned it.

I like to think that if I can describe the condition of any vehicle I've owned from a first hand point of view, It should lend credibility. Especially if the condition has obviously been looked after.

And you're right. 26K is nothing.

It's a Honda fercrissake.

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I would just check all of the stuff in the service manual maintenance schedule that would have been done up to 26K. Most of it is easy...valve checks being the hardest.

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Only way to know is to check it yourself. However, I checked the valves for the first time at 40k miles and everything was in spec despite being ridden extremely hard.

I personally wouldn't worry about it. If your price is fair: then just wait for another buyer to come along if the current buyer gives you grief.

If you check it yourself, most buyers won't accept that as it wasn't done by a shop with paperwork to support the claim. A valve check on the 919 shouldn't cost more than $200 at the most. Again, 26k miles on these things are nothing.
That's the thing that doesn't add up, it's pure speculation that the valves would need any adjustment at all. The guy was very nice, but it's like he wanted a pristine bike that's 10 years old. I even told him I could replace the tank and the gauge chrome cover, but he still went back to the miles. The miles really don't matter if the bike holds up. It's pure speculation that it's going to cost more because of the miles.

They're always looking to get a killer deal and I just don't like dealing with them.

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Pretty much, karl. Don't blame the guy for trying. It sometimes work.

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if yer gonna sell the 919, I'd do the regular maintenance.
The valves? Meh, these Hondas are tanks. they can run for 100K miles and still be runnin' fine.
Why spend $300+ dollars on adjusting the valves for someone else to enjoy it.
if the bike is running right...it should be good to go.

Like someone said....."it's a Honda for crissake"

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if someone could post that write up as well.....I'd be curious to see just how "simple" that adjustment is.
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if yer gonna sell the 919, I'd do the regular maintenance.
The valves? Meh, these Hondas are tanks. they can run for 100K miles and still be runnin' fine.
Why spend $300+ dollars on adjusting the valves for someone else to enjoy it.
if the bike is running right...it should be good to go.

Like someone said....."it's a Honda for crissake"
That's my view as well. IMO, Honda (cars, bikes, power equipment) has one of the best names for quality. It's as if he saw the price and wanted to nit-pic his way down from there with all these "few hundred here, few hundred there" next thing you know, the perfectly running bike is worth nothing.

I've studied behavior economic and this is one of the odd / illogical things about human behavior. It's how people view the value of something. He want's the bike for $2K but as soon as he buys it, he'd want $3K for it without having done anything to it.

The one thing I hate the most is when they start asking why you want to sell. They want to see if you're in a real hard spot so they can see how much they can screw you over. All they while, the bike hasn't changed in it's actual value.

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Well...I'll agree with you about the "buying it for $2K and wanting to sell it for $3K" issue. But asking why are you selling the bike is a legit question. The more a buyer can feel comfortable about information on a bike, the more they will be willing to actually purchase it. Imagine if you ask the question "why are you selling it?" And the answer you get is "I'd prefer not to answer that question" or "it's really not relevant why I'm selling it"......dunno bout the rest of the folks here but if I were to get any one of those two replies....I'd turn around and say "good luck with the sale but I'll pass".

It's a legit question for buyers. If your reasoning is sound, such as "I have too many bikes and trying to thin my stable" or "Ijust don't ride them all that much anymore"....I'd accept that but.....if I get a response of "I'd rather not answer that question"......Seeya.

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Also, if you can convince (I mean really convince) a potential buyer that you will NOT sell the bike at "X" amount because that's just your bottom line number...well then you're ahead on the negotiations but even if you are indeed on hard times, and need to get rid of the bike....that will show thru during your negotiations even if the question is never asked about "why you're selling it".

Buyers can see/sense if you are really interested in selling a bike or flim-flaming back and forth and undecided about wanting to let er go. At that point your just wasting every bodies time, and that's the worst of all.


If you really intend on selling a bike, sell it. If you have ANY hesitation at ALL then don't even bother to put her up for sale.


I went to go see this beat to shit CB1 that had caught my interest. It was best. Prob worth $200 for parts. The dude wanted $600....i told him I don't even know if it runs. He couldn't find the keys, had no docks, bike looked it had been at the bottom of a lake. I told him straight up...."$200, that's my final offer".....he turned around looked at his buddy and stared out loud "Mann this isn't really interested"......I was indeed interested but the seller was on dope thinking he could get $600 for the bike. Two years later...it's being advertised on CL "for sale".

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One last comment.No matter what price you ask a buyer wants to "feel" as though there's a give and take going on.


Meaning, if you are thinking you'd take $3K as a Rick bottom offer, them ask for $3700 and work your way down. The buyer. Don't care others will say, will ever rarely agreed to full asking price. If you say $3700, he'll ask $$3500. If you start at $3500, he'll ask $3300....and so on down the line.


And quite frankly, if there are indeed a large number of 919s in the area.....well, supply and demand rules then.

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By the way.....this is a very interesting topic..."buying and selling tactics" I mean.

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It sounds like you were asking 3300 for the bike based on your classified post.
That's a fair price i think. if you actually want to sell it i would imagine you would take 3000 to get it done. But in your other post it doesn't sounds like you really want to sell it. Therefore stick to 3300 and be patient.

If your bike is stock, that can be a plus because it means it hasn't been messed with most likely. given this models history, that essentially means there is not going to be a problem with it. in fact it's got decent mileage which means it hasn't sat and gotten rotted up and ran with shitty gas or blocked up with ethanol. remind buyers of that. However, if it hasn't been maintained, that mileage will hurt you.

There's 4 types of motorcyclists:
1. Pay dealer for scheduled maintenance and keep everything mint.
2. Do the work yourself - in which case you need to be confident in your work and if you have mechanical experience demonstrate that to a buyer so that they don't think you are #3. Tell them the valve clearances, the oil you use, brake pads, chain, etc.
3. Jerry rig mechanic. Do everything not by the book but by god damn good old fashioned know how. this can lead to a "who the hell knows what was done to the bike" situation..for example, welded on countershaft nuts, master link chain, chain/sprockets not changed together, brake fluid? "it stops doesn't it!". Car exhaust clamps used to mount that badass muffler.
4. Ride it till you can't ride it no more, what's chain lube?

Here's the corresponding pricing for your bike:
1. 3600
2. 3300
3. 2500-3k depending how bad it is. The good thing with being a #3 is you can fool a lot of people into thinking you're a #2 until they see something that makes them think you're a #3.
4. 2500 or less.

I'm not real sure of the pricing cause i haven't been looking lately. to me, if someone clearly demonstrates they know the bike, are involved in a forum or something, i'll trust their maintenance a lot more because that's what i do. unless they seem like an idiot, then they could be a borderline #3. If they pay for service and everything is current, they can ask top dollar. then you just have to find a buyer that wants a top dollar quality bike and ignore the other guys.
3 and 4 are just bad.

I'd give you a hard time about the valves also. even if 919's are famous for not needing them adjusted at the first interval. It's still the hassle or $ of checking and it makes it seem like you could be a 3 or 4 rider.
Check your valves.
Has your brake fluid been changed recently? that's something i always look at. it's so simple and can help you tell what kind of rider the guy is. If the brakes feel like shit and the fluids black, the guy hasn't been maintaining the bike and he's not a good judge of whether or not it "needs nothing".
Oil recent? tell them the mileage of the change.

26k is nothing for the mechanical stuff. but a lot can happen in 26k miles, and the wear items and fluids need to be changed at that point. definitely due for a check up.
A lot depends on what's for sale around you and how badly you want to sell the bike. Look at BKRMON's bike he just posted. That's a crazy deal, priced to sell. if there's stuff like that around you no one will pay the top dollar price.
2.5 years ago I bought my 07 with 7500 miles, nothing but a small scratch on the tank, for $4k. It was on the higher side but it was in great condition and there weren't any others around.

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CKutz.....all very valid and good points.

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Well...I'll agree with you about the "buying it for $2K and wanting to sell it for $3K" issue. But asking why are you selling the bike is a legit question. The more a buyer can feel comfortable about information on a bike, the more they will be willing to actually purchase it. Imagine if you ask the question "why are you selling it?" And the answer you get is "I'd prefer not to answer that question" or "it's really not relevant why I'm selling it"......dunno bout the rest of the folks here but if I were to get any one of those two replies....I'd turn around and say "good luck with the sale but I'll pass".

It's a legit question for buyers. If your reasoning is sound, such as "I have too many bikes and trying to thin my stable" or "Ijust don't ride them all that much anymore"....I'd accept that but.....if I get a response of "I'd rather not answer that question"......Seeya.
No doubt the question is fair, but some use it as a way to see if they can gain leverage over someone. If I told you that "I'm going to lose it to a repo man at 5:00 pm unless I come up with $300" then the price just dropped. If I told you that I have too many bikes or I just don't ride it that much then the price is different.

The important part should be the value of the product, not what position is the person in. Some try to find out if you are in a hard spot so they can see if they can get it for 1/2 the value.

It's kinda like those house flippers that go around and try to find someone in a spot and try to take advantage of them to make a killing without actually adding any real value to anything.

I have a 'friend' that does that and he acts like he's helping people. IMO, he's helping people like a pimp is helping a little girl that runs away from home. Sorry if that's crude, but I've studied business and economics for decades. I actually write AI code to determine the best economic outcome. When I see people looking around trying to find someone in a spot, I can't help but think of pimps and prostitutes.

I don't fault someone for wanted to know the value of the bike, I just don't like people that are trying to take advantage of someone else. I guess that's just the nature of a free market.

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Karl:
I'm hearing you. Really. But by just asking "questions" (which would include 'why are you selling it') doesn't mean someone is trying to take advantage of the situation.
Granted....human nature, and the animal kingdom (of which we sorta belong to in some way, shape or form) thrives only on those that can get ahead.
We as humans have not, nor maybe will we ever, evolve to the point where everyone is helping everyone else. Sorry that sounds pesimistic but its true.

I have faith in humankind and people in general. But, "buyer beware" also has a stake in this. Seller beware too.

Again...I hear you....I understand your thoughts on "that" question which erks you so.
I for one am the type of buyer that drives the seller bonkers. Why....because I want to know EVERYTHING about a motorcycle I'm about to spend $3500 or $4000 on.
Sorry but that's the way it is. Heck I'd expect nothing less of a buyer to ask questions. I want to tell them everything about the bike I'm trying to sell and vice versa. I'd want to know everything about a bike I'm wanting to purchase.

My cousin likes to make fun of me when we go out moto hunting............He calls me "Lookie-Lou"...cause, well, I'll look, and look and look and ask and ask and ask somemore. He, on the other hand, goes to the seller and says, "I gots $3000...cash, take or leave it". I dunno. I kinda like the 'haggle' process......you never what you'll get unless you ask.

Also, "Golden Rule: He who has the Gold Rules". Those that have the cash can buy just bout whatever they want at whatever price they want. Always keep this in mind, there will ALWAYS be another (ahem) perfect bike just round the corner waiting to be bought....no doubt....garanteed.

I'll end my reply with this example.
I had a 2002 mint VFR800 interceptor. it was my cousin's (same cousin as mentioned above). He was the first owner I was the 2nd owner. I thought it was the bike I had wanted....but low and behold it was too heavy for me, too cumbersome and she felt way too top heavy. I didn't feel comfortable with it. So..one weekend I put her up on CL. Some dude called, wanted to see it. He asked me all sorts of questions of which I stated in the ad the reason I want to sell it.
So, he saw the bike, we haggled for over an hour. in the end, as I was just about to walk away I felt I wasn't going to make the deal (he wanted $2600 for it I was asking $3100)......he was driving away in his car and said, "throw in the jacket and helmet and I'll take it for $3100".............I wanted to sell it, he wanted it so I said..what the heck and sold it. Turned around the very next day and picked up my 919 for bout the same price. I thought trade for trade for the bike I felt comfortable with.......

So..anything can happen with sales and purchases...anything.
If you want to sell her, sell her at whatever the price it is you feel comfortable with. Don't worry too much about the "questions" the potential buyer is asking.
GLWS.

p.s. don't ever let a potential buyer know you are going to loss your house if you don't sell the bike....that's just a reason to give the bike away with information the buyer need not know.

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It sounds like you were asking 3300 for the bike based on your classified post.
That's a fair price i think. if you actually want to sell it i would imagine you would take 3000 to get it done. But in your other post it doesn't sounds like you really want to sell it. Therefore stick to 3300 and be patient.

If your bike is stock, that can be a plus because it means it hasn't been messed with most likely. given this models history, that essentially means there is not going to be a problem with it. in fact it's got decent mileage which means it hasn't sat and gotten rotted up and ran with shitty gas or blocked up with ethanol. remind buyers of that. However, if it hasn't been maintained, that mileage will hurt you.

There's 4 types of motorcyclists:
1. Pay dealer for scheduled maintenance and keep everything mint.
2. Do the work yourself - in which case you need to be confident in your work and if you have mechanical experience demonstrate that to a buyer so that they don't think you are #3. Tell them the valve clearances, the oil you use, brake pads, chain, etc.
3. Jerry rig mechanic. Do everything not by the book but by god damn good old fashioned know how. this can lead to a "who the hell knows what was done to the bike" situation..for example, welded on countershaft nuts, master link chain, chain/sprockets not changed together, brake fluid? "it stops doesn't it!". Car exhaust clamps used to mount that badass muffler.
4. Ride it till you can't ride it no more, what's chain lube?

Here's the corresponding pricing for your bike:
1. 3600
2. 3300
3. 2500-3k depending how bad it is. The good thing with being a #3 is you can fool a lot of people into thinking you're a #2 until they see something that makes them think you're a #3.
4. 2500 or less.

I'm not real sure of the pricing cause i haven't been looking lately. to me, if someone clearly demonstrates they know the bike, are involved in a forum or something, i'll trust their maintenance a lot more because that's what i do. unless they seem like an idiot, then they could be a borderline #3. If they pay for service and everything is current, they can ask top dollar. then you just have to find a buyer that wants a top dollar quality bike and ignore the other guys.
3 and 4 are just bad.

I'd give you a hard time about the valves also. even if 919's are famous for not needing them adjusted at the first interval. It's still the hassle or $ of checking and it makes it seem like you could be a 3 or 4 rider.
Check your valves.
Has your brake fluid been changed recently? that's something i always look at. it's so simple and can help you tell what kind of rider the guy is. If the brakes feel like shit and the fluids black, the guy hasn't been maintaining the bike and he's not a good judge of whether or not it "needs nothing".
Oil recent? tell them the mileage of the change.

26k is nothing for the mechanical stuff. but a lot can happen in 26k miles, and the wear items and fluids need to be changed at that point. definitely due for a check up.
A lot depends on what's for sale around you and how badly you want to sell the bike. Look at BKRMON's bike he just posted. That's a crazy deal, priced to sell. if there's stuff like that around you no one will pay the top dollar price.
2.5 years ago I bought my 07 with 7500 miles, nothing but a small scratch on the tank, for $4k. It was on the higher side but it was in great condition and there weren't any others around.
I guess you could say that I don't really want to sell it. I actually wanted to rework a bunch of suspension stuff, forks, tires, etc... However, I'm making a career change and it's a bit concerning. Although I have a BS and years of exp, I've moved over to mobile enterprise development and I'm concerned about how it'll work out. I also don't know how much time I'll have to ride. Even now, I don't ride much because I spend so much time programming.

The whole "pricing game" is pretty interesting. I really wanted a ZRX. I found NONE under $4K and they were hard to find. Even the 919 was very hard to find. There's only 2 in my area and one of those is mine.

It's looking more and more like I'm just not going to sell it.

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I'm hearing you. Really. But by just asking "questions" (which would include 'why are you selling it') doesn't mean someone is trying to take advantage of the situation.
Granted....human nature, and the animal kingdom (of which we sorta belong to in some way, shape or form) thrives only on those that can get ahead.
We as humans have not, nor maybe will we ever, evolve to the point where everyone is helping everyone else. Sorry that sounds pesimistic but its true.

I have faith in humankind and people in general. But, "buyer beware" also has a stake in this. Seller beware too.

Again...I hear you....I understand your thoughts on "that" question which erks you so.
I for one am the type of buyer that drives the seller bonkers. Why....because I want to know EVERYTHING about a motorcycle I'm about to spend $3500 or $4000 on.
Sorry but that's the way it is. Heck I'd expect nothing less of a buyer to ask questions. I want to tell them everything about the bike I'm trying to sell and vice versa. I'd want to know everything about a bike I'm wanting to purchase.

My cousin likes to make fun of me when we go out moto hunting............He calls me "Lookie-Lou"...cause, well, I'll look, and look and look and ask and ask and ask somemore. He, on the other hand, goes to the seller and says, "I gots $3000...cash, take or leave it". I dunno. I kinda like the 'haggle' process......you never what you'll get unless you ask.

Also, "Golden Rule: He who has the Gold Rules". Those that have the cash can buy just bout whatever they want at whatever price they want. Always keep this in mind, there will ALWAYS be another (ahem) perfect bike just round the corner waiting to be bought....no doubt....garanteed.

I'll end my reply with this example.
I had a 2002 mint VFR800 interceptor. it was my cousin's (same cousin as mentioned above). He was the first owner I was the 2nd owner. I thought it was the bike I had wanted....but low and behold it was too heavy for me, too cumbersome and she felt way too top heavy. I didn't feel comfortable with it. So..one weekend I put her up on CL. Some dude called, wanted to see it. He asked me all sorts of questions of which I stated in the ad the reason I want to sell it.
So, he saw the bike, we haggled for over an hour. in the end, as I was just about to walk away I felt I wasn't going to make the deal (he wanted $2600 for it I was asking $3100)......he was driving away in his car and said, "throw in the jacket and helmet and I'll take it for $3100".............I wanted to sell it, he wanted it so I said..what the heck and sold it. Turned around the very next day and picked up my 919 for bout the same price. I thought trade for trade for the bike I felt comfortable with.......

So..anything can happen with sales and purchases...anything.
If you want to sell her, sell her at whatever the price it is you feel comfortable with. Don't worry too much about the "questions" the potential buyer is asking.
GLWS.

p.s. don't ever let a potential buyer know you are going to loss your house if you don't sell the bike....that's just a reason to give the bike away with information the buyer need not know.
About human nature. I've studied economics, AI, automation and systems analysis for decades. We're to the point where human labor is no longer of value. In fact, human labor is becoming the thing to run away from.

Businesses that replace humans with robots will gain a huge advantage. Just as much as lower labor in other nations destroyed quite a few blue collar jobs in the US, robots are going to destroy much of the demand for human labor.

AI can do medical research better than humans. IBM has a computer that does 100 % of what a lawyer does and I think Watson does what a Dr does.

We don't need humans any more. Humans take too long to educate and file too many lawsuits. Robots work 24/7 for less than $1/hr and have whatever level of education / knowledge / skills you want them to have.

large 3D printers are printing houses out of cement and big rigs can be driven by robots.

Not to mention we have huge debt and corruption is the standard.

If we don't figure things out in a hurry, things are going to get messy. The government has no clue what they are doing and they whole "kick the can down the road" isn't much of a game plan.

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