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post #1 of 62 Old 07-15-2013, 03:54 PM Thread Starter
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New here and have a starting problem

I have a 1984 Honda nighthawk 650cc that won't start. I thought it was the battery but I replaced it and it won't start. I'm assuming it would be the starter because the solenoid clicks but the starter doesn't try.
I'm normally a car mechanic but this is my starter bike. Before I go replacing parts am I missing anything?

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post #2 of 62 Old 07-15-2013, 03:59 PM
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Manually jump the solenoid terminals to bypass it and see if the starter turns.

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post #3 of 62 Old 07-15-2013, 04:19 PM Thread Starter
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Already did and the starter won't turn.

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Check all of your cable connections?

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Yes I did

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Is it locked up?Can you push start it.Or at least see, if you can get the engine to rotate while pushing it in gear.Try second, cluth pulled in, push it a bit (enough to get it rolling) let the clutch go should turn the engine over (carefull it might even start and take off on ya)...

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bump start see if it runs ok

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post #8 of 62 Old 07-15-2013, 05:56 PM Thread Starter
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I'm a new rider so I don't want to try that

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To be completely honest the other person that has more experience then me that I know is my best friend and he only has about a month on me and doesn't know how to push start.

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Also I've seen it run clean the day before I had this problem so I doubt the engine is seized. I'll probably take the starter off and run power to check if its that.

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post #13 of 62 Old 07-15-2013, 07:59 PM
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yeah, of course I forgot to mention that. I have done that occasionally. (the kill switch fun that is)
although, my starter won't even click if the kill switch is tripped.

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now that I think about it, i helped a buddy replace the starter on his 81 yamaha xs650 last year and it was doing the exact same thing. click, but no spin. only downside on his was that it involved draining the oil also.

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Kill switch?

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red toggle switch normally on the throttle side of the handle bars. check that.

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Okay will do.

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Take the spark plugs out and turn over the engine with the rear wheel while in gear to make sure the engine is still free.

Goog - the 650/700 starter will spin even if the kill switch is set to off when you jump the two big terminals together with an appropriate sized conductor. The power path for the starter is battery positive to solenoid to starter, without anything other than the solenoid interrupting it.

Only other electrical possibility is that the ground between the engine/frame and battery is shot. Everything else is going to be mechanical failure; bad starter, locked up engine.

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Where do you live, town please.

We may have a member close at hand who might enjoy a ride to your crib to look at your bike with you.

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I live in oakland California.

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So I checked the ground wire and it seems good ill do a multimeter test on it tomorrow. Tried pushing it in gear to see if it has seized and it moves.

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Finally came around to pulling my starter off. Took it apart and the bushings are totally powder and gone. I think I've found the problem

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post #23 of 62 Old 07-26-2013, 09:56 AM
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Well there's your problem.lol.
Can you replace the bushings or is it new starter time ?
I ended up making some brass bushings for a Chinese atv that I bought for my daughter. Has worked for a few months now.

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post #24 of 62 Old 07-28-2013, 10:55 PM Thread Starter
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I rebuilt the starter an the starter works now but the bike still doesn't try. I'm thinking the battery may not be pushing enough power through because it sounds weak but we will see. If it isn't that I'll check spark

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Correction cranks but no fire

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post #26 of 62 Old 07-29-2013, 04:09 AM
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Check the main fuses; clean the fusebox contacts and replace the fuses with new ones even if they look good. After that, then you check to see if the CDI box is 1) alive and 2) seeing anything from the crank pickup.

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post #27 of 62 Old 07-29-2013, 05:34 AM
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Check the kill switch again? Maybe it got bumped.

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Check the kill switch again? Maybe it got bumped.
Also check the Black and White striped wire at the coils for power. If you don't have power there with the kill switch on, you definitely don't have it at the spark box - same circuit.

Honda decided to take the 'sledgehammer to the spine' approach to making damn sure the 80s bikes shut down if you hit the kill switch. It not only kills power to the coils, it also kills power to the CDI box itself, which was unusual for the time - Honda's CDI system is also unusual in that power to the coils doesn't run through the CDI box to the coils, which explains why Honda has it kill the entire circuit. There were some unfortunate incidents with early CDI boxes in the 70s involving bikes refusing to shut down or CDI boxes melting down/going on fire that I think Honda was less than interested in repeating with things bearing their logo.

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Finally came around to pulling my starter off. Took it apart and the bushings are totally powder and gone. I think I've found the problem
Good for you!

Now to see if it can be rebuilt or are you on the way to a junk yard or a shop for an OEM.

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So I tried jumping it and it tried to start but it gave up after the first rev.

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post #31 of 62 Old 07-31-2013, 11:48 PM
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Tried to start/gave up how?

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Frieda a few times then died

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As in the ignition wouldn't provide spark any more or as in it just wouldn't catch and run? Keep in mind, it has a vacuum petcock.

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post #34 of 62 Old 08-02-2013, 12:20 AM Thread Starter
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Wouldn't catch and run.

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So I've came to the conclusion that my starter motor isn't strong enough. I pulled the sparkplug to check for spark and it fired up without pressure on one cylinder.
I can't find a new starter anywhere. Does anyone know another starter for another motorcycle that would work?

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No... Idk. I can't find one anywhere

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Ooops sorry, forgot what bike we were talking about

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Usually you just need to rebuild the stock starter.

However, you might want to check resistance between the battery terminal and the starter.

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By the way, here's a brand new starter on eBay: Ricks Motorsport Starter Motor for Honda Nighthawk 700 1984 1989 | eBay

Which means RMS still makes those starters.

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