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Masterlink or Riveted???
So what is the consensus ? Anyone ever have a masterlink fail?
Later
Rich
Later
Rich
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Rivet.
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Neither. EK screw link. No rivet tool needed, only an 8mm socket and ratchet.
Works like a champ, easy to install and lasts just as long as a riveted link.
Works like a champ, easy to install and lasts just as long as a riveted link.
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I've used the Master link on off road bikes with no ill effects so I'm fairly comfortable using them on the street. I think it has a lot to do with the fact that most people will really cheep out on a chain and end up with problems or they were retards and installed the clip in the wrong direction. Never wanting to admit that they screwed up on the install, they just blame the Master Link.
But this is my first road bike so I may not have the best of opinions! Just my .02
But this is my first road bike so I may not have the best of opinions! Just my .02
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Rivet.
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SO you folks that rivet do you have your own tool ( no pun intended ) if so which one. Back in the day, 1970s even the nitro burning 9 sec drag bikes ran master links. So since I don't have the tool I opted for a master link, also I went
with 15/45 on the niner. After awhile I didn't like the RPM at cruise plus I hated
doing the math to know how fast I was going. So now I'm running 17/45 which
puts me just about stock.
If riveting is the way to go I'll have to buy the tool.
Thanks
Later
Rich
with 15/45 on the niner. After awhile I didn't like the RPM at cruise plus I hated
doing the math to know how fast I was going. So now I'm running 17/45 which
puts me just about stock.
If riveting is the way to go I'll have to buy the tool.
Thanks
Later
Rich
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I use riveted and have two RK chain tool kits BUT I have no problems with a clip link and carry one for my DID chain on both my Kawi's just in case.
Depends on what you want or what you feel safe with but don't be afraid of either. An installed in the wrong direction clip will come off just as fast as an incorrectly mashed rivet.
Later == Bobby
Depends on what you want or what you feel safe with but don't be afraid of either. An installed in the wrong direction clip will come off just as fast as an incorrectly mashed rivet.
Later == Bobby
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I'd go riveted.Less chance for bad things to happen.
Now that being said...
I had a local dealer price me a 520 set up to price match with the vortex(ebay)(using better stuff),and after the work was done (much after).I have a clip style master link.No problems after almost 5,000 miles.
Now that being said...
I had a local dealer price me a 520 set up to price match with the vortex(ebay)(using better stuff),and after the work was done (much after).I have a clip style master link.No problems after almost 5,000 miles.
Fool in the Rain
I use the Motion Pro set. It's got the chain breaker and the rivet tool in one set. I've put on about 15 chains between myself and some buddies. Just put a new chain and sprockets on the 9er Saturday.
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I broke my motion pro(but never a rivet)
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screw motion pro...there's no stop for the compression like there is on the DID setup... just my 2 cents
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screw motion pro...there's no stop for the compression like there is on the DID setup... just my 2 cents
If you're talking about putting on the sideplate, you've got it on backwards. Turn it around and it has stops.
If you're talking about the rivets, I usually take it off and find out I didn't go far enough. Now if you're using an adjustable wrench instead of the handle it comes with all bets are off.
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Motion Pro. I've only used it on my replacement 520 chain, so I cannot attest to the longevity. Then again, I can always machine replacement parts if stuff begins to break.
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+1 On both accounts.
My road chain, I rivet.
My Off Road chain, I clip link it.(If I was Racing Desert. I would Rivet it)
My road chain, I rivet.
My Off Road chain, I clip link it.(If I was Racing Desert. I would Rivet it)
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Neither. EK screw link. No rivet tool needed, only an 8mm socket and ratchet.
Works like a champ, easy to install and lasts just as long as a riveted link.
Works like a champ, easy to install and lasts just as long as a riveted link.
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Hold up there... How long have these things been around and why isn't anyone proclaiming how dangerous they are?
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Pics borrowed from another forum:
Quote:
Hey, figured some of you may be interested in my latest experiment.
I chose to install a screw style EK Master Link with my new EK520SRX X-Ring chain.
The chain comes coated in white goop. Do yourself a favor and wipe most of this off, it's pretty goopy and I had to use PBPlaster to wipe it off the rim, swingarm, and drive sprocket area.
If you aren't familiar with this style link, it crimps the side plate on the master link using a threaded pin, after crimping, the pin is snapped off and a small o-ring is installed on the remaining part of the pin. Total depth is about the same as a rivited link and as you'll see the link did line up perfectly.
I read a post on another board where the person had tested the link and had to take a grinder to it to remove it. I'm not sure how the actual crimp works, but I'm giving it a shot. Appearantly this has been around for over 10 years, it wasn't cheap though, and was an extra $15 or so.
So here is the install, I didn't get a good shot of the link before I greased it up.
Step 1: The link is lubed, X-rings installed, with the side plate set on the extened threaded posts.
Step 2 & 3 Install the 8mm crimping nuts.
Step 4 Tighten the nuts alternately, turning each 60 degrees before going back to the other one. Do this until the side plates contact the x-rings and are spaced to match the riveted links.
Step 5 Remove nuts and inspect sideplate to ensure it is compressed beyond the groove in the pin.
Step 6 Snap off the pins, this is done with a standard pair of pliers, and there was no bending, it Snapped right off.
Step 7 Install outer O-rings (don't know why really, but it's part of the kit) The other post I read online installed really thin nuts on the little bit of remaining thread. I chose to evaluate the link installed as per the EK instructions.
Finished, the link is actually a tiny bit wider than a factory rivetted link, not anything to be worried about.
So there you have it. I'll keep an eye on the little O-rings, and as I stated at the begining, all that white lube has flung off, and I'll be using the cans of Belray chain lube and PBJ Blue chain lube I already have. I may switch over to Maxima chain lube after they are gone.
I'm carrying the clip style master link the chain came with should I have any problems.
Time for a beverage
TW
I chose to install a screw style EK Master Link with my new EK520SRX X-Ring chain.
The chain comes coated in white goop. Do yourself a favor and wipe most of this off, it's pretty goopy and I had to use PBPlaster to wipe it off the rim, swingarm, and drive sprocket area.
If you aren't familiar with this style link, it crimps the side plate on the master link using a threaded pin, after crimping, the pin is snapped off and a small o-ring is installed on the remaining part of the pin. Total depth is about the same as a rivited link and as you'll see the link did line up perfectly.
I read a post on another board where the person had tested the link and had to take a grinder to it to remove it. I'm not sure how the actual crimp works, but I'm giving it a shot. Appearantly this has been around for over 10 years, it wasn't cheap though, and was an extra $15 or so.
So here is the install, I didn't get a good shot of the link before I greased it up.
Step 1: The link is lubed, X-rings installed, with the side plate set on the extened threaded posts.
Step 2 & 3 Install the 8mm crimping nuts.
Step 4 Tighten the nuts alternately, turning each 60 degrees before going back to the other one. Do this until the side plates contact the x-rings and are spaced to match the riveted links.
Step 5 Remove nuts and inspect sideplate to ensure it is compressed beyond the groove in the pin.
Step 6 Snap off the pins, this is done with a standard pair of pliers, and there was no bending, it Snapped right off.
Step 7 Install outer O-rings (don't know why really, but it's part of the kit) The other post I read online installed really thin nuts on the little bit of remaining thread. I chose to evaluate the link installed as per the EK instructions.
Finished, the link is actually a tiny bit wider than a factory rivetted link, not anything to be worried about.
So there you have it. I'll keep an eye on the little O-rings, and as I stated at the begining, all that white lube has flung off, and I'll be using the cans of Belray chain lube and PBJ Blue chain lube I already have. I may switch over to Maxima chain lube after they are gone.
I'm carrying the clip style master link the chain came with should I have any problems.
Time for a beverage
TW
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Very cool. With the amount of mileage (lots) I expect to get from my chain this is a good alternative to buying a rivet tool. Thanks for the intro.
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An x-tra 15$ For what looks like a pop rivet to me.I think I'd just have the shop put it on for ya and not worriey bout buying a tool.
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I have bent the rear axle on My pounded GSXR1000. The gixer had a masterlink clip just like all of my other bikes dirt/street no matter.
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+1 On both accounts.
My road chain, I rivet.
My Off Road chain, I clip link it.(If I was Racing Desert. I would Rivet it)
My road chain, I rivet.
My Off Road chain, I clip link it.(If I was Racing Desert. I would Rivet it)
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I have only used 1 rivited chain in 30+ years, and never had a problem with masterlinks, Pay attention to the install, and do it right.
I have even reused many a clips without problems......I do not recommend but I have done it.
I have even reused many a clips without problems......I do not recommend but I have done it.
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I think 1 in a million have an issue with a master link on their road bike... I suggest getting a clip, rivet, or screw on master link and worry more about which road you're going to rail through next. 
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