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Hornet chain to belt drive

Ok so everyone knows my 919 is pimped out and im wanting to do more.
The sproket hub on 919 is same one from cbr900rr and honda ace 750. They make a belt drive conversion for the ace 750 and the 599.

Is the sproket carrier from a 599 and 919 the same on back rim?
Front sproket for a 599 and 919 same spline count?

If so I can save myself a lot of cleaning of my wheel of grease
Grime and dirt and chain noise

My gut is telling me this will work. My wheels are my bling
And I want them clean at all times..

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Ive seen the link but dont know if the parts will bolt up or not. If sprokets for 599 will fit a 919 then it will work. If so then im gona do it... then comes rc51 forks and shims to put my wheels on.

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Ok so everyone knows my 919 is pimped out and im wanting to do more.
The sproket hub on 919 is same one from cbr900rr and honda ace 750. They make a belt drive conversion for the ace 750 and the 599.

Is the sproket carrier from a 599 and 919 the same on back rim?
Front sproket for a 599 and 919 same spline count?

If so I can save myself a lot of cleaning of my wheel of grease
Grime and dirt and chain noise

My gut is telling me this will work. My wheels are my bling
And I want them clean at all times..

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Not sure about the belt drive, but it certainly would be original.

You could start by moving your frame sliders before you drop the bike on one and crack your engine case.

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Ive seen the link but dont know if the parts will bolt up or not. If sprokets for 599 will fit a 919 then it will work. If so then im gona do it... then comes rc51 forks and shims to put my wheels on.
You would have to have the 919 wheel machined to except the RC51 bearings, if there is even enough material to do so.

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It's not pimped out fully unless you have a single sided swingarm conversion. If you want to go full retard then do that and then swap a belt drive on it and get back to me......


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Not being a dick, just saying that there are plenty of things left on your pimped out check list my friend....

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And FWIW I got a checklist of stuff to do as well

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Im looking for information on doing the belt drive swap not what I need to do to my bike

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Well, touche... Use the search box then and good luck.

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Scootworks makes belt drive conversions for the 750 ACE.. not sure if it would work.

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Well, touche... Use the search box then and good luck.
Hey, who you callin' a touche? Hahaha

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Im looking for information on doing the belt drive swap not what I need to do to my bike
Using a belt on a 919 is not feastable due to the smaller diameter front sprocket. That small of a space will cause the belt to bind beyond its intended limits and prematurely break the belt.

Along with that, modding a chain-driven bike to belt drive typically involves cutting the swing arm or mid frame support since the belt is 1 piece. With the 919 you might be able to get away with reversing the swingarm pivot bolt but some cutting may still be needed.

Your best bet is to stick with the chain drive and find a better chain lube that doesn't fling off.

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Why would you need to cut the swingarm? You'd have to remove the rear wheel, yes, but should just be able to slip it around the swingarm, then move the rear wheel as far forward as possible to pull the belt onto the sprocket (if that's what they're called on a belt system).

I've done this dozens of times on dirt bikes when I just wanted to clean the back end of the bike.

If the front sprocket doesn't play nice, then you just remove it with the sprocket/chain/belt whatever already in place. Reverse to install.

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Why would you need to cut the swingarm? You'd have to remove the rear wheel, yes, but should just be able to slip it around the swingarm, then move the rear wheel as far forward as possible to pull the belt onto the sprocket (if that's what they're called on a belt system).

I've done this dozens of times on dirt bikes when I just wanted to clean the back end of the bike.

If the front sprocket doesn't play nice, then you just remove it with the sprocket/chain/belt whatever already in place. Reverse to install.
How do you get the belt past the sideplate that holds the swingarm to the frame? You can't exactly take the belt apart to pass it behind it.

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How do you get the belt past the sideplate that holds the swingarm to the frame? You can't exactly take the belt apart to pass it behind it.
The same way I've taken a riveted chain off and put it on again. Magic!

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The same way I've taken a riveted chain off and put it on again. Magic!
Can't be much to it - I had the chain off a week ago without cutting the master link. Of course, I DID have the swingarm loose...

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Yes the side plate would come off but it would only have to be done once to install the parts then ride ride ride! If this works

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Why would you need to cut the swingarm? You'd have to remove the rear wheel, yes, but should just be able to slip it around the swingarm, then move the rear wheel as far forward as possible to pull the belt onto the sprocket (if that's what they're called on a belt system).

I've done this dozens of times on dirt bikes when I just wanted to clean the back end of the bike.

If the front sprocket doesn't play nice, then you just remove it with the sprocket/chain/belt whatever already in place. Reverse to install.


A belt drive system uses pulleys while the chain drive uses sprockets.



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A belt drive system uses pulleys while the chain drive uses sprockets.
Thx! Figured it had a specific name. I just like looking like a tool sometimes, since I always act like one anyway.

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The same way I've taken a riveted chain off and put it on again. Magic!
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Can't be much to it - I had the chain off a week ago without cutting the master link. Of course, I DID have the swingarm loose...
^^ yes, you have to take the side plates off, probably drop the swingarm axle (doesn't mean you have to pound it all the way through, just enough to pull the cover off).

Really easy to do if the nut is on the left side. Actually, I'm not even sure if those covers are part of the swingarm assembly, it might just attach to the frame underneath. Been so long since I took it apart.

EDIT: Here's a pic, I can take that chain off 'as-is' right here:

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And another pic showing the side plate (and plastic cap) that needs removed.

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Thinking about it, I'm pretty sure those side plates rest against the frame (you can see the axle bolt hole) and cinch up between the two ends of the axle bolt and nut.

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Yes, the side plates provide the double-shear connections for the swingarm. The swingarm bolt passes through both plates.

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Why would you need to cut the swingarm?
Didn't say you had to specifically for the 9ner. I know some model bikes require you make swingarm or frame modification in order to be able to install the belt.

The biggest issue for converting the 919 will be the size of the pulley. Due to limited space, the pulley will be relatively small which will most likely bind the belt beyond its intended design. This will cause premature wear and failure.

There is also the limitation of proper tension for the belt throughout the swingarm movement.

Then there's the issue of belt width, which might not work at all due to the 919's limited drive chain space.

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The plate doesn't have to come right off. You can leave the swing arm bolt 1/2 in and take the chain off. All the other bolts have to come off so you can pivot the plate out of the way. I use a 1/2" drive extension to list the swing arm bolt so the arm stays in place.

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Yes, the side plates provide the double-shear connections for the swingarm. The swingarm bolt passes through both plates.
Thx for the confirmation M1VE, I have probably answered this question myself in a previous thread, but probably ran out to the garage to confirm it .


I do kinda miss this view in the garage, though :
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Your bike is so clean you hang it on the wall like art!

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Yikes! That's pricey...

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Really easy to do if the nut is on the left side.
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Ouch, over 1,000 Euro... Looks neat, though.

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Thx for the confirmation M1VE, I have probably answered this question myself in a previous thread, but probably ran out to the garage to confirm it .

I do kinda miss this view in the garage, though :
I'm totally hard for that garage.

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They make a kit for the 599 just wondering if it will bolt up to the 919

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Thx for the confirmation M1VE, I have probably answered this question myself in a previous thread, but probably ran out to the garage to confirm it .

I do kinda miss this view in the garage, though :
That's not a garage, it's a stable. And boy am I envious.

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the question is why?

250 gets you a bitchin chain n sprocket setup that will last you for easily 20k miles if maintained properly.

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Yeah, for the cost of this setup, albeit COOL, is pretty prohibitive, seeing as you get nothing to gain other than cleanliness of the wheel (for a short while, you still get road grime).

If it were sub $200, it might be worth it.

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After all you've been through, no doubt you do. Hopefully, some day you can find something to keep your two-wheeled goodies in. I made it one of my goals to finally get a house with (at least) a 2 car garage. This one is a 3, but kinda shallow on the front 2. Funny how there's not usually very many cars in there . Not a bad setup - got into it when I turned 28.


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Thanks! Funny, the folder that picture is kept in is called "Stable" .

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^^ yes, you have to take the side plates off, probably drop the swingarm axle (doesn't mean you have to pound it all the way through, just enough to pull the cover off).
That was the point I was making. You basically have to dismount the swingarm, not exactly the most minor of procedures.

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I understand the thought process behind the belt they are lower maintenance in theory and a bit cleaner and quieter. although i never heard my chain much over the afermarket pipes.

if your main concern as it sounds is your wheel cleanliness look into a lube that doesn't sling such as chain wax. This is what I use on my speed triple and I never have lube on the wheel when i clean it and i do quite often. Albeit do to the design of the speedy it's not gonna get much lube on the wheel anyway. For te most part you'll always pick up road grime very quickly so your stuck with cleaning the wheel. My suggestion is a good wax if it's a powder coated wheel. makes cleaning the wheel much easier.with a good wax job you can literally wipe of the grime with a towel and have that pop back and for the shine a quick detail spay.

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