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Hello to the fourm:
I just bought a 2005 919 and I am having some problems concerning the swing arm, rear tire and rear brake, not being installed right.
The rear axle was messed up and I ordered a new one with both spacers.
looking at the service manual(page14-0) there is a flanged spacer on the sprocket side and a smaller spacer on the brake side, however, if I try to use both spacers things are out of alignment. Looking at a video (Something Just Didn't Feel Right) this bike doesen't appear to have a spacer between the wheel bearing and the caliper mount
Am I looking at this wrong ??? does anyone have pictures??

Please Help!! new to me motorcycle and I would really like to ride it for the 1st time
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Hello to the fourm:
I just bought a 2005 919 and I am having some problems concerning the swing arm, rear tire and rear brake, not being installed right.
The rear axle was messed up and I ordered a new one with both spacers.
looking at the service manual(page14-0) there is a flanged spacer on the sprocket side and a smaller spacer on the brake side, however, if I try to use both spacers things are out of alignment. Looking at a video (Something Just Didn't Feel Right) this bike doesen't appear to have a spacer between the wheel bearing and the caliper mount
Am I looking at this wrong ??? does anyone have pictures??

Please Help!! new to me motorcycle and I would really like to ride it for the 1st time
David
Do you have the spacers installed like these pics? That's my bike in that thread and it has both spacers. The right hand spacer just fits down into the wheel bearing cavity.
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Yes I think they were just like that. I will have to look more tomorrow.
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I went out and looked and I had installed the spacers just like you show,

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one thing,,in the right side picture, the flange of the spacer appears to almost rest on the oil seal?? maybe a very small gap,,is that right?

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Looks right to me.

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I think the problem is the bearings are to thick,, on the left side I have almost all of the spacer showing and it looks like you only have about a 1/8" to 3/16" showing
Rear wheel and brake where installed wrong and the azle was held in by a peice of coat hanger,,so I am not sure what I have to work with I am not sure they are the right ones for the bike
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Can you take and post pictures so we can see what you have to work with?

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sometimes those spacers are hard to get in the seals. make sure both surfaces (inner of the seal and outter of the spacer) are clean... then apply some grease to either of the surfaces, and push in.

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apply some grease to either of the surfaces, and push in.
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I will post pictures this afternoon, also I do not think there are any seals maybe pictures will help

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I was gonna say if the dust seals are flush, then the bearings should be the right thickness, but if you don't have to seals maybe the PO installed the wrong size bearings or maybe they weren't pressed all the way in.

Pics may help.

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ok that's what I have..help please

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Somebody that didn't know what they were doing put those bearings in. The one on the brake side isn't driven in all the way and has no dust seal. See attached pic. This is after I drove in a new bearing before the dust seal went in. Also the bearing in the driven flange should also be a sealed bearing. It's missing the seal at least on one side. I would get those bearings replaced if it were me. The one on the sprocket side of the wheel looks OK.




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I FOUND IT!!!!! Mike, Thank You and when you said they did not know waht they were doing!! you were right the O.P. had put the dust cover 1st and the bearing on top of it,,so the bearing would not go in the thickness of the seal
Where can I find the bearings and seals..I see kits for the wheel bearingsand seals,, but what about the bearing and seal in the driven flange?

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Here's a couple of links with all three bearings and seals. I got the All Balls set, but a lot of folks here have recommended the Japanese set

Premium Rear Wheel Bearings and Seals Kit Honda CB900F (919) 2002-2007 Japanese

25-1257 All Balls Racing

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The kits come with all three bearings and the appropriate seals.


Premium Rear Wheel Bearings and Seals Kit Honda CB900F (919) 2002-2007 Japanese | eBay

Edit: Mike, the All Balls will work according to all reports. Thing is, I've had the kind of Chinese bearings that All Balls uses disintegrate at inopportune moments and I wouldn't use them in any high speed application on anything I own if I had a choice. Peace of mind is more important.

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CB700S you are about 150 miles from me! my youngest daughter lives in Mansfield

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Yup, this is why pictures are a must when asking people to help diagnose stuff.

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Thanks again guys..bearing kit has been ordered, I might be able to go on my 1st ride on Tuesday!!!!

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It looks like dude may have actually been riding it that way for a while. Check the caliper bracket for damage and thoroughly check the thickness of the rear disc while you're at it.

Edit: The more I look at that rear disc, the less I like the look of it. You should consider just flat out replacing it.

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It looks like dude may have actually been riding it that way for a while. Check the caliper bracket for damage and thoroughly check the thickness of the rear disc while you're at it.

Edit: The more I look at that rear disc, the less I like the look at it. You should consider just flat out replacing it.
+1 That rotor doesn't look so good.

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caliper bracket is a bit banged up,, and I will get one when I can..I will check on a used disc..Thanks

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Edit: Mike, the All Balls will work according to all reports. Thing is, I've had the kind of Chinese bearings that All Balls uses disintegrate at inopportune moments and I wouldn't use them in any high speed application on anything I own if I had a choice. Peace of mind is more important.

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Thanks CB. I didn't know about this other source when I replaced mine. I have this Japanese source bookmarked for next time.

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Bearings will be here tomorrow,,Caliper mount around Friday, with the rain

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Rode it today!!!!!

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I'm going to guess the wheel didn't fall off?

Also, do work on replacing that rotor, it's really important.

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Nope it did not fall off!! I cleand the rotor with a scotch brite pad ans air grinder and it look much better!! but I will keep my eye open for a replacement

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