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Help identifying forks

Just bought a 2003 919. Need to change the seals. Previous owner did a fork swap. The guy i bought it from didnt know what bike the forks were from. Can anyone tell me what they are? If not, should I take the seals out and try to match them to other seals at parts department? Any info would help. Thanks
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post #2 of 37 Old 05-25-2014, 12:37 PM
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I might be confused because the pictures are not quite right side up but my initial thoughts are going to be along the lines of a 954 setup and the top triple plate looks like it has had the shit chopped or ground out of it, albeit its a Vortex piece so its a fairly substantial piece of aluminum so it may be safe. The 954 series had a slightly longer fork than the later model 600rr/1000rr setups so its a popular swap on all the older bikes that had 41mm forks and it prevents you from having to do a lot of work to fix the nose dive effect when you are missing 2 1/2 inches of fork length.

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sorry about the upside down pics. don't know what happened there. Is there any pics or measurements I can take to help you identify these further? thanks

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Wish I knew a better way offhand but I am sure someone will pipe up with more knowledge soon.

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And about the triple tree plate, I saw the horrible machining job someone did on it, but didn't think it would break. Any other opinions on how safe that is. I'm no lightweight. thanks

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Those are most likely CBR 929/954 outer tubes with some sort of Suzuki inner tubes. Notice the hex front axle, that is pretty much a Suzuki thing IMO. It is definitely not a CBR 929/954 inner because the those bikes use a 330mm rotor & the 919 has a 300mm rotor, so I do not see how he could have made it work with the stock wheel & rotor.

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Those are definitley upside down forks

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Honda did it as well on the early model USD forks. I got a buddy that has a 929/954 front end on his NT650....
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Those are definitley upside down forks

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Honda did it as well on the early model USD forks. I got a buddy that has a 929/954 front end on his NT650....
I stand corrected, looks like Honda used those hex axles as well.

However, the OP should change his wheel+rotor combo ASAP. Since the rotors are smaller in diameter than expected, only half of the rotor surface is being used. Take a look at the wear pattern.

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To me safe, measure the width of the chrome inner slider. Both the 929/954 and the RC51 forks come with 43mm forks. As others have said those are likely 929/954 forks, definitely not RC51.

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I stand corrected, looks like Honda used those hex axles as well.

However, the OP should change his wheel+rotor combo ASAP. Since the rotors are smaller in diameter than expected, only half of the rotor surface is being used. Take a look at the wear pattern.

You are spot on about that rotor wear. I but the operator will notice a huge improvement if they swap to the correct rotors......

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Regarding the upper triple, if that's how Vortex mills them I'm sure it's fine. The CB1000R upper clamp I'm using on my RC51 swap is milled out underneath and not very thick. Obviously, fine though.

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Regarding the upper triple, if that's how Vortex mills them I'm sure it's fine. The CB1000R upper clamp I'm using on my RC51 swap is milled out underneath and not very thick. Obviously, fine though.
I'm sure the milling was fine originally but did you look at the photo? Right side up or upside down it's got holes drilled through it in places other than where the risers go through. That is the part I was referencing as the hacking. Pretty sure that takes away a little strength, lol.

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Those holes are the result of drilling for the pinch bolts or at least I feel they are. Not very pretty but not a structural issue.

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I'm going with 929. I had a 929 and I am nearly positive when the 954 came out and I first saw one, my eyes were drawn to the anodizing on the pre-load and more sophisticated look. Not seeing that on these forks.

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Me thinks the holes in the top triple are where the headlight stay hooks in.

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To me safe, measure the width of the chrome inner slider. Both the 929/954 and the RC51 forks come with 43mm forks. As others have said those are likely 929/954 forks, definitely not RC51.

As far as fork/dust seals, the 929 and 954 forks take the same seals? And does it matter what year the forks were made? thanks for all the help guys. hellava forum!

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I stand corrected, looks like Honda used those hex axles as well.

However, the OP should change his wheel+rotor combo ASAP. Since the rotors are smaller in diameter than expected, only half of the rotor surface is being used. Take a look at the wear pattern.

Sorry for the ignorance but what rotors should I be shooting for? thanks

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As far as fork/dust seals, the 929 and 954 forks take the same seals? And does it matter what year the forks were made? thanks for all the help guys. hellava forum!
I believe they are, but you can do a Google search for CBR929RR/CBR954 specs to make sure. I looked up one of them and it was 43mm. Check and make sure man.

Do another search to see what range of years Honda made them. I know for sure that they were around in '02-'03 as I had a '02 929 lower triple and have '03 954 front calipers and M/C.

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These look right? wap.ebay.com/Pages/ViewItem.aspx?nborh=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.ebay.com%2Fsc h%2Fsis.html%3F_nkw%3DHONDA%2BCBR%2B929%2B954%2BUS ED%2BFRONT%2BROTORS%2B4%2B58MM%2BNICE%2B%26_itemId %3D170265178986&emvAD=500x172&nbpr=1&nbcol=1%7Cunk nown&ebayref=/itm/Front-Brake-Disc-Rotors-for-HONDA-CBR-CBR929RR-CBR954RR-929-954-2000-2003-/301194727345

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These look right? wap.ebay.com/Pages/ViewItem.aspx?nborh=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.ebay.com%2Fsc h%2Fsis.html%3F_nkw%3DHONDA%2BCBR%2B929%2B954%2BUS ED%2BFRONT%2BROTORS%2B4%2B58MM%2BNICE%2B%26_itemId %3D170265178986&emvAD=500x172&nbpr=1&nbcol=1%7Cunk nown&ebayref=/itm/Front-Brake-Disc-Rotors-for-HONDA-CBR-CBR929RR-CBR954RR-929-954-2000-2003-/301194727345
I would avoid Ebay stuff & just spend a bit more & get the OEM parts. They are excellent quality & they will sure to fit & work right. partzilla has the best prices.

Here is your oil seal & dust seal combo: At $12.96 for a set, it is quite economical.

51490-MCF-000 SEAL SET, FR. FORK $12.96

As you can see, they are shared on many Honda bikes. Note that you need to buy 2.

For fork fluid, buy Maxima "racing fork fluid". It is slightly higher priced than OEM but it really does work when they state that its a low friction oil.

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Sorry for the ignorance but what rotors should I be shooting for? thanks
You need to get CBR 929 or CBR 954 rotors, plenty of decent sets on Ebay. They are 330mm & will fit right in with your calipers.

I do not think they swap right on the 919 wheel so you may need to get CBR 929 or CBR 954 front wheel as well. You will have to do some research on this.

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I haven't read the whole thread so maybe he said the front wheel is 919 but the 929 is three spoke too. I think I see three spokes anyway.

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I haven't read the whole thread so maybe he said the front wheel is 919 but the 929 is three spoke too. I think I see three spokes anyway.
Its 3 spoke & he has the 919 rotors on it. AFAIK the 919 & the CBR 929/954 don't share the same bolt pattern.

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OK so I just found this thread ... here is what i see.

- CBR929RR forks
- CB919 wheel & rotors
- CBR front calipers (could be from a F4i/RC51/929 etc.)

The front wheel or axle has had some machine work done to accept the larger 929 bearings or something since those parts don't just bolt together.

The 919 rotors are really small in diameter when compared to the 929.
The offset of the 929 caliper mounts is only giving 50% clamping on that tiny 919 rotor.

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True Arshishb. So if this is a 929 wheel he just needs 929 rotors. I thought someone said he needs a wheel too. He may not.

Not sure if a 919 wheel will work with 929 forks, of if 919 rotors will fit a 929 wheel.

How do you know this is a 919 wheel Ian? Obviously, 919 rotors but the wheels are both 3 spoke. Will the 919 rotors not fit on the 929 wheel? Different bolt pattern?

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They have a different bolt pattern and hub diameter.

Its got to be a 919 or F4i wheel to bolt up those rotors.

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929/954 and 919 rotors both have the 110mm bolt circle, those look to be 929 and it could be a 929/954 wheel but the pads can't be making full contact with the rotor

919 (EBC) rotors on a 954 wheel


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929 used the same style upper adjusters as the RC51 SP1, 954 changed to the same style adjusters as the SP2

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Looks like it could possibly be this bike?


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929/954 and 919 rotors both have the 110mm bolt circle, those look to be 929 and it could be a 929/954 wheel but the pads can't be making full contact with the rotor

919 (EBC) rotors on a 954 wheel


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929 used the same style upper adjusters as the RC51 SP1, 954 changed to the same style adjusters as the SP2

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Don't know if it's a 919 wheel or not. Going to do some research when I get home and find out. So what I gather from you guys help and other research I've done is that the forks are either 929 or 954 forks. But doesn't really matter because they are almost identical. thanks

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Looks like it could possibly be this bike?
Wow, that's crazy. I have no idea how you found that? That's got to be my bike. Bought it in Monroe Michigan. Same pipes, must have taken off the radiator guard and rotors before he sold it. Will post pics when I get home. Can anyone tell me if thats factory paint or custom? Thinking its custom cas the Honda decal on tank was outside the clear coat. Anyone know what kind of pipes those are? thanks

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My bad ... i was way off. Thanks Voodoo.

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Yeah, that's a custom paint job, especially since only the '06-'07 came in red, but a few more engine covers were blacked out in those years, and yours are not.

Looks like he either had Galfer or other chinese wave rotors installed on it and took them off.

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Yeah, that's a custom paint job, especially since only the '06-'07 came in red, but a few more engine covers were blacked out in those years, and yours are not.

Looks like he either had Galfer or other chinese wave rotors installed on it and took them off.
Surely not Galfers.
The pic shows pethole rotors not petal rotors.
Not a subtle distinction .....................................

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Don't know if it's a 919 wheel or not. Going to do some research when I get home and find out. So what I gather from you guys help and other research I've done is that the forks are either 929 or 954 forks. But doesn't really matter because they are almost identical. thanks
It's most likely a 929 wheel, probably sourced all the parts from the same bike. Those forks are 929 not 954 but thats not important unless you're overhauling them.
I would fix the rotor mismatch before putting too many miles on it


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It's most likely a 929 wheel, probably sourced all the parts from the same bike. Those forks are 929 not 954 but thats not important unless you're overhauling them.
I would fix the rotor mismatch before putting too many miles on it
Thanks for clearing this up Voodoo.

I know it's obvious, but the OP will want new pads too.

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