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post #1 of 17 Old 07-13-2016, 02:31 PM Thread Starter
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Engine Guard Vs Frame Slider

Hi there. Tried posting this the other day but can't see it anywhere so I'm trying again. I just bought a Honda 919. Im desperate to prevent it getting damaged from being knocked over by cars, as I leave it on the street outside my work in NYC, and that happened frequently with my old bike.

I was going to install long frame sliders on it, but the PO already installed this engine guard where they would go. My question is will this provide any kind of decent protection after a tip over or should I just remove it and install frame sliders? Its about an inch and a half max so feel like it doesn't come out far enough.

Any advice would be greatly appreciated.

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post #2 of 17 Old 07-13-2016, 03:28 PM
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I've not seen this type before, can you post some more pics? From the side perhaps?

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I'm no expert, but that doesn't look to me like it will protect much of anything at all. It almost looks like there is a piece missing. Have you tried googling up case (or engine) guard for the 919 or Hornet to see identify who made it?

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Heres a pic from the side

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Another pic, sorry not sure why its flipping them round
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I'm no expert, but that doesn't look to me like it will protect much of anything at all. It almost looks like there is a piece missing. Have you tried googling up case (or engine) guard for the 919 or Hornet to see identify who made it?
Yeah I did a bunch of research on the subject before I bought the bike and didn't come across this one. Most of the engine guards were the crash cage type ones.

You could be right, the things that are jutting out at both ends just have a hole in the middle, which to me looks like something should go in it, but thats just a hunch

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From just looking at my GIVI guard (cage) I'd suggest that, to be effective, any protection needs to stick out at least 4.5" from the frame mounting point in the radiator area. That's about what the GIVI does and I know that works - LOL.

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Sounds like I should just try and remove it and install frame sliders then?

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Yeah. It looks like it would be better than that. Although Idk what to do about the tank.

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Yeah. It looks like it would be better than that. Although Idk what to do about the tank.
How do you mean?

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Sounds like I should just try and remove it and install frame sliders then?
Well, I agree w/ robroten, it looks like something is missing.
I sort of like the structure from what i can see. Can't you contact the previous owner and ask about it? It could be better than just sliders if it were complete.
In the short term maybe attach sliders to the front mounting holes. That could be a cheap compromise.

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Well, I agree w/ robroten, it looks like something is missing.
I sort of like the structure from what i can see. Can't you contact the previous owner and ask about it? It could be better than just sliders if it were complete.
In the short term maybe attach sliders to the front mounting holes. That could be a cheap compromise.
There were two owners and it was the original guy that did it, so no. Yeah I kinda figured that too, but it doesn't look like theres anyway to mount a slider on it, the inside is just a hole with a big bolt on
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It looks like something similar to this but yours are missing the pucks that may stick in the holes. I don't think these folks made them CRASH CAGES - ImpaktechUSA but it does look like something similar.

(just intrigued about your parts and did a bit of googling)

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They actually look homemade.... very well home made that is. Try to see if you can source some pucks to put in the mount points on both ends.

Generally though, they will not protect your engine covers.

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Follow up to this story, took the bike in for service on Friday and asked if they'd remove the guards so I can install sliders. When I come to pick the bike up the mechanic said he didn't remove the guards because theres actually a small chunk of your engine casing missing (pic 1), and the engine is actually moving, so we installed a bolt to hold the guard and the engine in place (pic 2 shows before and pic 3 after).

This was a bit disconcerting to find out. I asked if there were any options for me to install sliders and he said no. I asked if I could just install them in the little hole next to the normal mounting place (pic 4) and he said no, can anyone explain why that wouldn't work to me? Also any ideas for how I could add a bit of protection by essentially extending the guard without removing it? Appreciate any advice
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Clarko - Just a follow up on your post. Any resolution to your frame slider issues?
With the cracked-off piece on the engine case, that you found, it's likely a PO had sliders mounted to the engine and then dropped the bike. Not unusual to crack a piece of the mount in that case. Previous owner is just lucky the broken piece was not larger.
It should not take too much effort to add an extension off the frame you have to make an effective engine guard. And you might need to find a more inventive mechanic or a buddy to help out... my 2 cents.

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Thanks for enquiring, I see you also helped me out with my fuel consumption query also. No resolution I'm afraid, I looked into getting the SW-motech engine guard, which I would of happily done, but I took the installation instructions to the mechanic and he said it wouldn't work unfortunately. He said only thing he could think of would be to get a machinist to try and fix the aluminum casing of the engine, but had no idea how expensive that would be. It would be great if I could just extend the pieces that are currently on there, but I didn't see anything commercially available that would do the trick, and I'm not the handiest to come up with a solution myself

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