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Did first oil change today at 200 miles

Do I win a award for earliest oil change preformed on a 919? I made it to 204 miles (out of 204 total) before changing the oil tonight, I just couldn't stand knowing there was assembly lube and metal floating around in the oil. The oil was pretty dark and there was cream swirls (assembly lube) in the drain pan. I didn't cut the filter apart and inspect it or anything. I installed a Honda filter and regular Honda 10w-40 oil. I plan to go Amsoil but want to get the motor broke in a little first, maybe another 1000+ miles...


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cream swirls ,,,little water maybe

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I don't get it, Honda recommends changing the oil at the first 600 miles for a good reason (and they are very conservative), why do so before that?

Next time, add double the oil so you'll have double the time before the next change...

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I don't get it, Honda recommends changing the oil at the first 600 miles for a good reason (and they are very conservative), why do so before that?

Next time, add double the oil so you'll have double the time before the next change...
maybe wealthy, or ocd either way it won't hurt anything

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Do I win a award for earliest oil change preformed on a 919? I made it to 204 miles (out of 204 total) before changing the oil tonight, I just couldn't stand knowing there was assembly lube and metal floating around in the oil.
It's your dime. You can be as OCD as you want... Of course, you must consider that if Honda (who happens to be a world-class builder of motorcycles) recommended a 600 mile stint, some lube and small metal particles might still be swirling around after 200 miles. That thing hasn't even been warmed up fully yet.

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If Honda is so world class why would there still be metal floating around?

Assembly lube is for...... Assembling the motor, not running it.


ocd when it comes to maintenance, but my vehicles seem to never go down on me.

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If Honda is so world class why would there still be metal floating around?

Assembly lube is for...... Assembling the motor, not running it.


ocd when it comes to maintenance, but my vehicles seem to never go down on me.
Oh, good grief... It's all good. Do what you wish--it's yours! Just be ready to put up with a little banter when you post on the internet that you can't wait 600 miles to change the oil on a brand new engine.

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post #9 of 13 Old 09-14-2009, 08:37 AM
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Filters

I haven't read the manual, yet...and may not...but, if Honda recommends changing your filter every other time, there's a good reason for it.

Filters get more efficient as they are used, and the measured Insoluables can actually be lower toward the end of the second change than they were at the end of the first change. The only problem of waiting that long is if you're keeping them in for a couple of years at a time, that's not advised as degredation of the filter material can occur due to the acids, etc.

As someone that has done a lot of experimentation with oil and filters, I'm changing the oil sooner than recommended on my motorcycles (due to shearing, but, not on the first oil change...I think I waited until 550 miles), but, leaving the filter in.

In my cars, some of them go three oil change intervals with the same oil filter, and some of them go three times the recommended oil change interval. Only experienced Tribologist's input should be trusted when you start going that far out of the standard recommendations.

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If Honda is so world class why would there still be metal floating around?.
Hmmm, perhaps because Honda DID NOT invented metal, only how to best assembled it?

As others have stated, it is your dime and your bike, just don't plan on Getting the smart award for boosting that as an accomplished of anything is all.

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post #11 of 13 Old 09-14-2009, 05:56 PM
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Wow,I see this post yesterday and think nothing about a response as I change the oil in anything I buy new at like 75 miles if it has two wheels and within 200 if it has four wheels.
So today I check back and just have to post as many,many people change the oil and filter right out after the first ride.
So why so hostile to someone in the know that knows how to take care of a newly built motor.OCD ? whatever the information is there you just need to see it. one more thing I would rather buy a used bike from the OCD guy but that's just me.

Edit,I know of people that drain the oil coolers to get out all the used oil.Now maybe that's OCD,you decide.What is overkill ?

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i change the filter every change just to get more fresh oil in the motor its short money

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i change the filter every change just to get more fresh oil in the motor its short money
I used to do the same thing. Until too many people showed increased rates of wear with new oil compared to used oil. It seems like the anti-wear agents need some run-time in order to reach full effectiveness.

Still, no need to get too worked up about whether to change it after the first ride or at 600 miles or at 1000, or whether to change the filter every time or not. These engines are pretty bulletproof, for motorcycle engines. More measurable wear is probably done by cold starting the first year, than the difference in wear when comparing all the "best techinques of oil and filter changes" to just following the owner's manual, during the first 100,000 miles.

It is often just OCD, or a lack of study on the subject, and not a superior maintenance regimen (validated by wear metals in Used Oil Analysis, and verified by selected tear-downs and physical measurments of wear), to go to the extremes that many people do regarding the lubrication system schedule.

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