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Choosing coolant?

Replacing my coolant and could use some advice. Choosing between the ProHonda coolant or the Maxima Coolanol. Anyone have any experience with either, and can I add Water Wetter to both? The parts guy at the Honda stealership said I can't add it to the ProHonda HP Coolant.

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Lots on here using the Honda coolant. Maxima is a good brand too so I would not hesitate to use that.

I'm running Elf Moto motorcycle premix in mine.

One of my local Honda dealers just run Castrol coolant.

Personally I don't see any need for a water wetter if you run a decent coolant.

There is a good post on here regarding changing the 919 coolant with a excellent tip of adding a lenght of bike inner tube to the filler when burping the system to remove any air. Note when filling slowly fill the system to avoid getting extra air in it.

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Here you go. Now you'll read different ways of changing the coolant from the extreme to the minimum. Me I sat in the middle. Drained, filled with distilled water, ran it to mix the remnants after the first drain. Drained it and refilled with motorcycle coolant.

And take heed to the note about the water squirting out the drain bolt! Also the reserve/catch tank drain tube does work - you just need to undo it at the filler neck and feed the tube out of where it is sitting so it hangs down under the bike.

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Here you go. Now you'll read different ways of changing the coolant from the extreme to the minimum. Me I sat in the middle. Drained, filled with distilled water, ran it to mix the remnants after the first drain. Drained it and refilled with motorcycle coolant.

And take heed to the note about the water squirting out the drain bolt! Also the reserve/catch tank drain tube does work - you just need to undo it at the filler neck and feed the tube out of where it is sitting so it hangs down under the bike.

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pretty much my process but instead of some expensive coolant i just did a 70:30 mix of distilled water and glycol + water wetter... works like a charm.

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Napa has Pentosin G12 (without silicates) - very good coolant and designed for aluminum engines

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Thanks guys. I searched for that page printed it earlier. However, I missed the note about the drain bolt squirting.

I didn't even think to check Napa out.

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I just went to the Honda Car Dealership and pick up the Type II Auto Coolant. It's what I use in my ST. My niners never run that hot so I see no need for Water Wetter. A flush with distilled water is a good idea if you are way overdue for a coolant change.

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I still use this stuff, DA. Have been for many years now.


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is it silicate free?
Yep

"Features a phosphate-free and silicate-free formula"

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anyone know what kind of coolant honda puts in a stock 919?

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...t i just did a 70:30 mix of distilled water and glycol + water wetter...
This is exactly what I did.
Choose a name-brand coolant of the recommended type (ethylene glycol, not propylene glycol).
There is little freeze danger here in central TX. If I were further north I'd be using a 50/50 water/glycol mix and added water-wetter. The 50/50 mix gives much greater freeze protection with slightly lower heat transfer properties.


Just FYI -
Amsoil has a water-wetter type product that is another option.
According to their marketing literature is is (as always) the best thing since sliced bread. Take that with a grain of salt and compare prices & features.

From the Honda 919 service manual:
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RECOMMENDED ANTIFREEZE :
Pro Honda Coolant or an equivalent high quality
ethylene glycol antifreeze containing corrosion
protection inhibitors specifically recommended
for use in aluminum engines.
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anyone know what kind of coolant honda puts in a stock 919?
50:50 glycol.... the green stuff lol.

the 919 is a simple well behaved motor, it needs simple things in life, standard coolant and rotella t oil, and a good hardy revving once a week and she will live long.

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do they put the honda pro stuff in the stock? cuz i just added a small amount of water wetter into the coolant tank. I wish i read this article before. Not that my 919 is running hot. I just had some left over and figured, why not?

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do they put the honda pro stuff in the stock? cuz i just added a small amount of water wetter into the coolant tank. I wish i read this article before. Not that my 919 is running hot. I just had some left over and figured, why not?
putting water wetter in the overflow tank aint gonna do much of anything. if you wanted to add water wetter to your current coolant, take a small amount of coolant out at the actual cap, and pour in proper amount of water wetter. As well as proper amount in coolant overflow tank.

but really the best thing would be to drain, flush, and mix water wetter before putting into the system for a homogenous blend in both cooling system and tank.

Not sure exactly what honda uses stock but i drained my 919's coolant @ 5kish miles as it was presumably the original OEM coolant (i am 2nd owner of the bike) and it seemed to be your standard green stuff.... same as the stuff that came stock on my CRF250.

Either way i havnt had any problems running my 70:30 mix of distilled water and coolant + water wetter.... i used a 50:50 standard prestone coolant and diluted it with more water for 70:30.

BTW... maybe someone knows. when they say silicate free what ingredients are not present in that type of coolant?

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Got a decent discussion here. Again, thanks for the help and suggestions gentleman. Since it is still cool out I went with the ProHonda coolant. The local Napa didn't have that brand a few posts up, but they did have a coolant that is phosphate and silicate free. Can't remember the brand, think it was a Dexcool though. Might try that when it gets warmer.

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Got a decent discussion here. Again, thanks for the help and suggestions gentleman. Since it is still cool out I went with the ProHonda coolant. The local Napa didn't have that brand a few posts up, but they did have a coolant that is phosphate and silicate free. Can't remember the brand, think it was a Dexcool though. Might try that when it gets warmer.

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DO NOT USE DEXCOOL IN ANYTHING UNLESS IT CAME WITH DEXCOOL!!!! ESPECIALLY MOTORCYCLES!

and even then dexcool has been known to cause SERIOUS problems in motors that were designed for dexcool.

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Thanks. Saves me from having to do research before buying it.

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DO NOT USE DEXCOOL IN ANYTHING UNLESS IT CAME WITH DEXCOOL!!!! ESPECIALLY MOTORCYCLES!

and even then dexcool has been known to cause SERIOUS problems in motors that were designed for dexcool.
really? this comes as a shock for me because my 2000 oldsmobile came factory with dexcool, changed at 100k miles and it will turn 199k tomorrow. it's a great car! never had a problem with the dexcool. can you expand?

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Dexcool is complete crap. It effectively eats thru plastic. GM has a notorious problem with dexcool eating thru the plastic intake manifold on their 3.8L V6's. It also turns into a nasty mud if the level gets too low. There is a class action lawsuit against Dexcool. If you goolge it you will ffind a ton of results.

Girard Gibbs LLP- GM Dex-Cool/ Intake Manifold Gasket Class Action
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"The lawsuits were filed on behalf of owners of General Motors vehicles, which were factory-filled with "Dex-Cool" coolant. In summary, the lawsuits alleged that Dex-Cool degraded certain vehicles’ intake manifold gaskets and other engine sealability components, and that in certain other vehicles, Dex-Cool formed a rusty sludge, clogging the vehicles’ cooling systems and causing vehicles to overheat."


And it does exactly that. I have seen it first hand many times, every time a GM came into the shop we tried to talk the owner into a coolant flush, and refill with standard coolant before the dexcool did any damage.



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Hey Brian, how you doin' man!
The parts guy who said you can't use Water Wetter with ProHonda coolant is smoking crack! I've been using that combo for 5 years in my 919 with not a single issue. Maxima Coolanol is great stuff too, you can't go wrong with either.

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Dexcool is complete crap.
i am.... shocked.... learned something new.

i suppose i'm very lucky then since i've never had a problem with my oldsmobile. i need to tell my grandmother though since she has the 3.8l v6.

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DO NOT USE DEXCOOL IN ANYTHING UNLESS IT CAME WITH DEXCOOL!!!! ESPECIALLY MOTORCYCLES!

and even then dexcool has been known to cause SERIOUS problems in motors that were designed for dexcool.
In a PROPERLY maintained engine, DEXCOOL works well.
If the coolant level drops, bad stuff happens (sludge).
If the pressure cap isn't working well, bad stuff happens.
Watch for these things and repair as needed. Keep your vehicle maintained.

Cooling systems are specifically designed to work with little or no air, and at pressure.
They don't (can't!) work well otherwise.

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In a PROPERLY maintained engine, DEXCOOL works well.
If the coolant level drops, bad stuff happens (sludge).
If the pressure cap isn't working well, bad stuff happens.
Watch for these things and repair as needed. Keep your vehicle maintained.

Cooling systems are specifically designed to work with little or no air, and at pressure.
They don't (can't!) work well otherwise.

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ya it just seems like even in a motor made for dexcool that there are more issues with running it than not.

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BTW... maybe someone knows. when they say silicate free what ingredients are not present in that type of coolant?














.....silicates?





Wait, was this a trick question?

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The biggest problem I've come across with dexcool is when a dexcool system is topped off with regular coolant.

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Wait, was this a trick question?
rnt silicates a broad term for different types of minerals?

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IDK.

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Hey Brian, how you doin' man!
The parts guy who said you can't use Water Wetter with ProHonda coolant is smoking crack! I've been using that combo for 5 years in my 919 with not a single issue. Maxima Coolanol is great stuff too, you can't go wrong with either.
Allen! I'm doing good. In Dayton Ohio for the night. I'm on my way to Chicago from Virginia. Thanks for the info. I couldn't understand why they wouldn't mix.

How have you been? I miss everyone out there. Might be back out that way under orders in 2013. I'll take Cali drivers anyday over Virginia drivers.

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Allen! I'm doing good. In Dayton Ohio for the night. I'm on my way to Chicago from Virginia. Thanks for the info. I couldn't understand why they wouldn't mix.

How have you been? I miss everyone out there. Might be back out that way under orders in 2013. I'll take Cali drivers anyday over Virginia drivers.

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Hey quick question concerning coolant. I just bought an 07 919 that'd been sittig ion a garage since end season 09 (taken out twice last summer). It has 1500 miles on it (practically new). I'm prepping it for the new season, should I flush the coolant??

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Hey quick question concerning coolant. I just bought an 07 919 that'd been sittig ion a garage since end season 09 (taken out twice last summer). It has 1500 miles on it (practically new). I'm prepping it for the new season, should I flush the coolant??
you could... but it aint gonna be necessary.... it takes maybe 30 min... and tbh whenever you buy any vehicle you should do a full once over including all fluids changed (oil ,tranny(if there is separate), brakes, coolant etc etc) that away you know exactly where all fluids are at and when they have been changed..... pluss fresh stuff to start out is always better hehe.

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Haha, thanks for the answer but I still feel stuck. Oil I plan on doing right awa, brakes I'll wait to do until I do my SS lines mid summer. This leaves me
with my coolant question. Does coolant sitting around affect it negatively (like oil) or is it purely based on mileage?

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Haha, thanks for the answer but I still feel stuck. Oil I plan on doing right awa, brakes I'll wait to do until I do my SS lines mid summer. This leaves me
with my coolant question. Does coolant sitting around affect it negatively (like oil) or is it purely based on mileage?
umm not quite sure, old coolant will have more sediment in it... and it might have a less than optimal heat transfer ability... but even then its not gonna be bad.

i had the original cooling in my 919 @ 5k miles and it was an 04.... do what you see is fit. took me 2k miles of riding for me to go eh, ill change it as its probably original stuffs.

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50:50 glycol.... the green stuff lol.

the 919 is a simple well behaved motor, it needs simple things in life, standard coolant and rotella t oil, and a good hardy revving once a week and she will live long.
Not all EG is Green, although most is by far.
The stuff I get from Canadian Tire is a very distinct yellow.

Always use distilled water.

If the drained fluid has flakey looking stuff in it, do a flush with ordinary white vinegar and water, as in run it on that on the stand for a bit, enough to get some heat in it. When that brew is drained, do straight water fill/run/drain until you are absolutely sure no vinegar can possibly be left inside. Vinegar is Acid = Ungood as long term presence in the cooling system.

Dexcool is madness in a motorcycle. Even some GM mechanics slag it.

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