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I priced tires today at an independent bike shop and a dealership near my house. The bike shop wanted $90 to mount and balance the tires. The dealer wanted $120. I just so happens I had four tires swapped out in my car today for $66. I've done most of my own work for years on my bikes and had a friend who balanced my tires for me (he owned a tire shop). I'm not opposed to paying for other people to perform the work especially if I am supporting a local independent shop. Here are my questions: Are those prices in line with what the rest of you are seeing? How difficult is it to mount and balance a modern motorcycle tire? Cheers, Cheese

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post #2 of 35 Old 03-26-2015, 04:28 PM
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A set of tire irons and an order of Dynabeads, add a little sweat and you're all set.

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A set of tire irons and an order of Dynabeads, add a little sweat and you're all set.
Dynabeads spokesman??? Sounded like a commercial!

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Dynabeads spokesman??? Sounded like a commercial!
What can I say... They work well and there are no worries in changing your own tires. Too many people are afraid to do it, imagine how may miles you can ride on $90 worth of fuel...

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I used Dyna beads. They worked at first, but then it felt like they weren't balancing the tire fast enough, so it felt like my steering was off. I use a white crayon or chalk, wheel balancing weights, and some jack stand and balance my tires myself. Its not hard to do, just be patient. The Michelin Pilot Road 4 's are already balanced.

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Here's an old thread that I did. Check post #13 for some good vids. That's where I learned from. I have done all of my own tire changes for the last 76K miles....forgot how many tires that is.

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post #7 of 35 Old 03-26-2015, 05:12 PM
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Have used dyna beads for over 70,000 miles on my bikes with no ill effects. However I don't change my own tires. Just one of my little gifts to me since becoming a senior. Kind of my senior discount to me.

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Have used dyna beads for over 70,000 miles on my bikes with no ill effects. However I don't change my own tires. Just one of my little gifts to me since becoming a senior. Kind of my senior discount to me.
Yeah, it is definitely a lot of work to change a tire. I load a spray bottle with dawn and a little water. Use liberally.

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There is some technique and proper tools required to not damage your wheels. I myself decided the investment in the tools was worth it in the long run. Zip ties are also a cheap helper. Plenty of YouTube videos out there. I use the harbour freight tire changer with the motorcycle tire attachment with Mojo Blocks installed to hold the rim and not rape it. I also purchased a non maring mount/demount bar from No Mar tire co. You will also need a valve stem tool to release air. No Mar makes a nice complete setup for under 500. I pieced mine together to save money.

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Local dudes charge $20/tire off the bike around me, +$7/tire for disposal. If they have to take the wheels off it is more like 40-50/per though.

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A set of tire irons and an order of Dynabeads, add a little sweat and you're all set.
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I was a little intimidated when i did mine but it was a lot easier than i expected. If you get dyna beads dump the bag in just before you work the last of the side wall over the rim. Putting them through the air stem sucks. (or so im told.)

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Perhaps the Dyna beads I put in clumped together. There is a lot of moister in the air down here.

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I priced tires today at an independent bike shop and a dealership near my house. The bike shop wanted $90 to mount and balance the tires. The dealer wanted $120. I just so happens I had four tires swapped out in my car today for $66. I've done most of my own work for years on my bikes and had a friend who balanced my tires for me (he owned a tire shop). I'm not opposed to paying for other people to perform the work especially if I am supporting a local independent shop. Here are my questions: Are those prices in line with what the rest of you are seeing? How difficult is it to mount and balance a modern motorcycle tire? Cheers, Cheese
That's insane... I've never paid over $35 for a mount and balance... I'd be looking to do it myself pretty quick for that price as well...

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Local dudes charge $20/tire off the bike around me, +$7/tire for disposal. If they have to take the wheels off it is more like 40-50/per though.
+1. Local honda stealership wanted 50 bucks a tire (that's with the wheels off), but I found a local guy that'd do it 25 bucks a wheel disposal and balancing included.
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Once had a Honda dealer charge $90 to do a single rear tire change, that's with the wheel off. He never saw another dime of my business. My local shop charges me $25-30/wheel.

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Here's what you need http://pages.ebay.com/link/?nav=item...d=181680191182 And http://pages.ebay.com/link/?nav=item...d=301573308321 And http://pages.ebay.com/link/?nav=item...d=380920674683 Also a large bench vise or c clamp to help break the beads that's really the toughest part also the Dyna beads are recyclable if you're carful dismounting later

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FYI, you can also re-use the dynabeads (I think thanks to Ken for teaching me this) but just cut the rim off of a plastic cup, like a SOLO cup, then they scoop up very easily out of the tire. I only lose maybe a dozen dynabeads now when changing tires, so mine have been in about 6 sets so far.

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Local dudes charge $20/tire off the bike around me, +$7/tire for disposal. If they have to take the wheels off it is more like 40-50/per though.
Same here. Although to get my business they included the tire disposal fee. I have no problems taking the wheels off myself.

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So at the amounts you guys are paying. You could buy your own tools and they would pay for themselves after the second or third set. Plus you won't have to run around looking for someone to do it when it's convenient for them.

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So at the amounts you guys are paying. You could buy your own tools and they would pay for themselves after the second or third set. Plus you won't have to run around looking for someone to do it when it's convenient for them.
But it's also a time issue. Why bother investing in tools when I have tires changed maybe every other year? At that rate they'd pay themselves off in what, eight years? And also having a shop do it means that I don't have to find the time to do it (time is scarce for me) and I know that it'll be done right and properly balanced. I'm not saying that it doesn't make sense for anybody to do their own, but for situations such as mine I really don't see the downside to paying for it.
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Why bother investing in tools?
Yup. Not everyone is the same. Some ride more. Some just like to turn their own wrenches and have a garage full of useful tools. Tools that may not get used often. But are very nice to have when you need them. Some just can't or won't for their own reasons. To each their own.

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It's more of an independence thing for me. Can't stand someone else doing something for myself that I can learn to do.

Except oil changes on my car. They've got that down quick and cheap, haha. I'd rather save the time for more bike tinkering than change my own car oil.

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I started doing it, because my local dealer charges about $75 per tire. I have found some places that do it for $25 but it's probably a 3 hour ordeal to remove the wheel, drive there, wait, drive home and re-install the wheel. I can do it myself in about an hour and a half, which includes cleaning the chain and swing arm before re-installing. I also just like working on my own bike.

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Yup. Not everyone is the same. Some ride more. Some just like to turn their own wrenches and have a garage full of useful tools. Tools that may not get used often. But are very nice to have when you need them. Some just can't or won't for their own reasons. To each their own.
Oh, trust me, I am ALL for buying tools. But when my future is uncertain one year from now and I might have to lighten the load and move overseas, it's a bit of a bigger issue.
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I am the tech at local Honda dealer, prices for us are as follows. if you hand us you bike and tires you bought $75 per tire $50 bucks for just the wheels, if you buy tire from us its free to $25 depending on tire and how much mark up is on the tire.
unless its a bike that takes 3 hours to do 1 tire like the gl1500 those damn saddle bags lol. 3 hours a little steep but you get the point.

now at my home shop (which is only for a very select few people) its $20 mounted and balanced with wheels handed to me or $20 PLUS how ever long it takes me to get them off the bike...
my labor rate it $40 at home.
did a guys zx10 last year both tires for like $50 on the bike


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Thanks for all the replys.


To be clear the mount and balance prices were with me buying the tires at each of the shops, independent of which model tire I bought from them.

One of the shops is one of the largest dealers in southern Maine and a Honda shop. $60 per wheel. I might be able to negotiate, but my approach is give me your best price. If it is not acceptable, I am moving on. If I am going to give money to someone it will be the independent guy trying to make it work.

I am not opposed to paying people for the work. My goal was to see what others are paying in their area. When I lived in Cinci most things were cheaper than they are here in the Northeast. I figured there would be quite a difference in what people were paying around the country.

There are some local guys with tools that have offered to let me borrow them and swap the tires myself. I may take them up on it, but to save time for riding I will probably just pay the indepedent guy to do it for me.

Now the question for another thread - Shinko raven or pilot road 4.

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ride down here I will throw them on while you wait, only a few hrs away


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ride down here I will throw them on while you wait, only a few hrs away
Thanks. I may take you up on that. Vermont is one of my favorite states to ride in and the trip to St Johnsbury from here is gorgeous. I used to live in West Leb, New Hampshire and ride around Vermont and New Hampshire all the time.

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I buy my tires online and take them to a local shop that's about 2 miles from me.

$25 a pop.

I love tools but I've got it too good with location and they normally do it right on the spot, walk in, hand them the wheel, look at stuff and leave 10 minutes later.
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Dynabeads all the way.
Lead mechanics don't do tires.
Its seasonal work left for oil change/tire jockeys.
Those nice tire balancing machines are precision instruments.
I have seen too many neglected not calibrated balancers to bother.

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Cycle Gear in Salem did mine for $30, and I didn't buy the tire from them.

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I like my pilot road 4 front tire. It grips really well.

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Buy the Dyna Beads. I have way over 100k on one bulk pack. I weigh them on a digital scale and even scoop the little guys out of the old tires and reuse them. Just lay a piece of card stock in the tire and gently roll the tire until the beads jump onto the paper. They never wear out. If you have to shoot them in through the valve stem, use a turkey baster and a piece of tubing. Point the baster slightly upward to prevent bunching. Pumping creates a cyclonic action and the beads fly right in.


I average 3 tires a year (one front - two rear 15k). I have a buddy at a tire shop who does my tires for free. But when he's not available or when I don't have time to drive to his shop in the next town I do it myself. I built a crude bead breaker but it works like a charm.


Another tip is to get some of those thin flexible plastic cutting boards to use as rim protectors.
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