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Can't get my rear wheel back on

I've been battling this thing for half a day now, I can't get the rear wheel back on after I swapped the tire out. I'm running into a problem lining up the side collars. There is simply not enough space to align both and slide the tire into place where I can get the axel rod through. I need about a quarter inch of space more so I can set both the collars and push the tire forward/up, but I can't find a quarter inch of space anywhere. Any Ideas? Because I am fresh out.
I have the chain tension all the way forward, and putting the chain on doesn't a difference.





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post #2 of 39 Old 03-28-2014, 06:01 PM
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by the looks of your second picture I'd say you've got a damper rubber out of place and it's not fully seated into the wheel.

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Are you sure you don't have the collared spacer backwards? Brake caliper mount is sitting in the groove properly?

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I thought that too, but even if I take the dampeners out all together the driven flange still doesn't move all that much, not enough for me to work with anyway. It's been a while since I've had the rear wheel off this bike, is the flange being like that, even with the rubbers set properly, not normal?

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Are you sure you don't have the collared spacer backwards? Brake caliper mount is sitting in the groove properly?
Collared spacer is facing inwards, and is aligned with the indent.

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Can you post a picture of what you've got?

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shouldn't be a gap between flange and wheel

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Can you post a picture of what you've got?
Of the spacer/side collar?

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Post pics of both sides.

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The driven flange definitely looks screwy in that pic, but it could have just gotten skewed when you were messing with it. Try moving the chain adjusters all the way in (wheel as far forward as possible). It makes getting everything aligned and the axle in much easier.

Edit: oops I see you had the adjusters all the way forward.

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Seems to be leaning towards to driven flange then, from what others are stating. I'm through with it tonight but will be sure to post a more detailed pic of the driven flange both open/closed tomorrow. Even with the dampeners out the gap stays relatively the same. The bearing looks fine and spins freely, and I don't see anything that could be obstructing the path of the driven flange, guess I'll have to go back over it.

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From what I see, you have the spacers on the wrong sides. Here's a picture of a rear axle with the spacers.

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There's an o-ring in a slot on the center of the wheel that the driven flange slips over. Maybe that came out of the groove and rolled and is binding it up.

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From what I see, you have the spacers on the wrong sides. Here's a picture of a rear axle with the spacers.

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Actually I think that pic is wrong
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Actually I think that pic is wrong
You're just looking at it upside down. Are you in Australia?

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You're just looking at it upside down. Are you in Australia?
I hit CTRL-ALT-DOWN ARROW before I looked.

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I hit CTRL-ALT-DOWN ARROW before I looked.
Huh? You must be super old. You still use a computer? Keyboard? :P

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Huh? You must be super old. You still use a computer? Keyboard? :P
Here's my set-up


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Here's my set-up
Ok, now I know that I'm old. I remember that set up.

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Here's my set-up

Crap, you've got me beat....


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Hey fritz, get it fixed up?

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Actually I think that pic is wrong
This made me go look at my bike. They have the spacers reversed. Either that is wrong or I've been running them backwards for years.

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I went out and took a look again this morning, and I'm almost certain that my bearing is sticking out just enough to make the driven flange unable to fully seal with the hub. Can anyone verify that this looks messed up? Any ideas how to lower it back into the hub?



This is how far the flange will go against the hub without the dampeners in.




As for the spacers, this is what it has in the manual I'm reading from, the collard spacer goes on the sprocket side.


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That beraring is way out! It should be flush against race lip/edge. You have a few options, depending on the tools and hammers you have ..... but it should reseat fairly easily since it is 75% in the race already helping to keep it straight.

- you can use a large socket to sit on the outer race and drive it back into its seat with a hammer.

- Drive it back in with a rubber dead blow hammer.

- Use a chunk of 2x4 over top of the bearing and drive it in with a hammer.

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There is something wrong with that bearing from what I see. Are you able to move the bearing? I think the manual is wrong about the spacers. My bike is together and the uncollared spacer is on the sprocket side. Maybe someone else will confirm? Marylandmike?

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Check the bearing and make sure its still servicable first. It should roll smooth and not knotchy/rough

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Bearing spins freely, am going to give it a whack or two and see if I can get it to go back in.

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Managed to get it back in with a hammer and 2x4. Thanks Helimech and everyone else as well who contributed. Tire is back on now, and I can move on to the greater problem plaguing everyone's mind that is which spacer goes on which side.

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Just went out and looked, flanged collar is on the left (drive) side and straight collar is on the right (brake) side


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There is something wrong with that bearing from what I see. Are you able to move the bearing? I think the manual is wrong about the spacers. My bike is together and the uncollared spacer is on the sprocket side. Maybe someone else will confirm? Marylandmike?
Mine is like the manual, that's why I posted that I thought your pic was wrong. Check your VIN, maybe your bike was assembled in Australia or maybe you have the wheel on backwards.

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Can someone confirm the spacers? Mine are the same as rickards and I know for a fact that it was line that when I bought the bike over three years ago.

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Mine is like the manual, that's why I posted that I thought your pic was wrong. Check your VIN, maybe your bike was assembled in Australia or maybe you have the wheel on backwards.
I just checked my bike again. I have the wheel on backwards. My sprocket is on the right side and brake on the left. :P I guess the spacers will work either way.

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This made me go look at my bike. They have the spacers reversed. Either that is wrong or I've been running them backwards for years.
Me too. But I think the book is right.



I have had the spacer get caught on the left adjuster a time or two when installing the wheel. It makes sense now that the flanged spacer should go on the sprocket side to ride against the slotted adjuster.
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I am in the middle of chain maintenance and it won't be hard to try it the other way and see how it looks. I'm more concerned about the sprocket alignment being off.

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I don't have a proper calliper but;

Spacing when done as the manual states.

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And spacing when done the wrong way.
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Either way, the alignment will be fine. I would like to say that the brake side looks more correct as the manual suggests.


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I just checked my bike again. I have the wheel on backwards. My sprocket is on the right side and brake on the left. :P I guess the spacers will work either way.
It should look like this:


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It should look like this:
Oh no. I'm in trouble. Mine looks nothing like that! I'm gonna rip my whole bike apart to make sure I get it right.

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