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Bosch oil filter change?

So I always thought guys were crazy when they couldn't get the Bosch 3323 to fit, but tonight I went to do a change and the new one just wouldn't go on. I tried reinstalling the old one, and it slipped right on. I put them side by side and noticed the new one was flat in the middle, maybe even a little convex, where the old one was concave allowing it to slide over the threads.
I gave the new one a few gentle taps and then it fit fine but it has me curious...
Has anyone else seen this? Did Bosch change their design or did this one just not get finished correctly?
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So I always thought guys were crazy when they couldn't get the Bosch 3323 to fit, but tonight I went to do a change and the new one just wouldn't go on. I tried reinstalling the old one, and it slipped right on. I put them side by side and noticed the new one was flat in the middle, maybe even a little convex, where the old one was concave allowing it to slide over the threads.
I gave the new one a few gentle taps and then it fit fine but it has me curious...
Has anyone else seen this? Did Bosch change their design or did this one just not get finished correctly?
Never used bosh on the 9er. Mobil1 is a little more but its supposed to be of the better quality

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Never used bosh on the 9er. Mobil1 is a little more but its supposed to be of the better quality
I thought both were champion filters? Or maybe I'm thinking Bosch and k&n are by Champion.

Never had a problem fitting a 3323 before... now I gotta check the parts store and see if it's in or out.

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Never had a problem fitting a 3323 before... now I gotta check the parts store and see if it's in or out.
I've never had an issue either... I tried for probably 20 min to get the new one on before I realized it was off...

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Have a 3323 on mine as well, I'll have to check next time I change it.
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I've never had an issue either... I tried for probably 20 min to get the new one on before I realized it was off...
Had the issue myself recently. Thought maybe my headers got tweaked or something. Nice to know it was actually the filter! Getting it off will be a bitch though.

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I've never had an issue either... I tried for probably 20 min to get the new one on before I realized it was off...
So the outward one is the one that doesn't fit right? I've never seen the filter like that.

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I had to toss the 3323 I bought; no way it was going on. I had already oiled it so I just ate it rather than trying an online return. Fortunately I hadn't yet tossed the one I took off.

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I thought both were champion filters? Or maybe I'm thinking Bosch and k&n are by Champion.

Never had a problem fitting a 3323 before... now I gotta check the parts store and see if it's in or out.
Bosch has been made by Purolator for a quit some time now for US market. M1 is still Champion filter.

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I just put one on and it went on fine although a little tight as expected. I did purchase it in the fall, but it has the new box like yours.

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I just put one on and it went on fine although a little tight as expected. I did purchase it in the fall, but it has the new box like yours.
The last one I put on was also in the new box and it went on fine

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So the outward one is the one that doesn't fit right? I've never seen the filter like that.
Correct... I gave it a few solid taps with the rounded head of my ratchet to shape it a little and it went on fine then... I'm still deciding if I feel comfortable with that or not...lol

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I tried the 3300 without problem. The 3323 is longer so it might interfere a bit with the header.

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i definitely had to be a bit forceful getting mine on. i just put it on a few weeks ago.

so are we just paying for a name on the Bosch one? better off going with the mobil?

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Bosch has been made by Purolator for a quit some time now for US market. M1 is still Champion filter.
Didn't know that. Purolator makes great filters too but I'm hesitant with forcing one on. Looks like shelling double for the Mobil from now on.

For people wondering why we don't just buy Honda filters, these are readily available at most auto shops and there are many online comparisons showing these having superior media.

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Better filter for less money. Unless you are and OEM guy that thinks it's better than all else. Of course over the years OEM filters change. You just don't know it.
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Oil Filter Comparison Study - GM Truck Central

I use K&N, it makes my oil changes faster because of the nut on the filter. According to this test K&N is supposed to be better at filtering than a Purolator, which is what I used to use on my shadow every oil change.

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Oil Filter Comparison Study - GM Truck Central I use K&N, it makes my oil changes faster because of the nut on the filter. According to this test K&N is supposed to be better at filtering than a Purolator, which is what I used to use on my shadow every oil change.
Why would the nut make it any faster? If you need to use the nut you're putting it on too tight

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It's a lot easier to use a combination wrench to take off the oldfilter than it is to use a filter wrench. You don't use a wrench to put on an oil filter, hand tight is all you need, that part isn't rocket science.

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It's a lot easier to use a combination wrench to take off the oldfilter than it is to use a filter wrench. You don't use a wrench to put on an oil filter, hand tight is all you need, that part isn't rocket science.
I've never needed a wrench to take one off either... At least not one that I've put on

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I've never needed a wrench to take one off either... At least not one that I've put on
Is the oil hot when you change your oil?

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Is the oil hot when you change your oil?
Why would you change the oil when it's hot?

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I run the engine for about 5 mins before the oil change. I always put the filter on hand tight but most always need an oil filter wrench to get it loose the next time.

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You should change the oil when it is hot, it will be thinner and drain better.

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I run the engine for about 5 mins before the oil change. I always put the filter on hand tight but most always need an oil filter wrench to get it loose the next time.
Right, because as metal gets hot it expands.

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Is the oil hot when you change your oil?
Yep, I usually drop the oil right when I get home from work (35 mile drive)

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I understood the Mobil 1 and NAPA Gold filters were made by WIX. I prefer WIX unless I go to the dealer to ogle the bikes.

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You should change the oil when it is hot, it will be thinner and drain better.
I generally do my oil changes while needing to do other things. I have no problems with draining the oil while cold, which I would rather do so all the possible oil to drain, drains back into the pan before draining out.

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Here is a good cross reference list that works really well. Lists cross references for many different brand/models of motorcycles.

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i have always used the HF-204 from hiflo filtro on my 9er, OEM quality, great price, no fitment issues.

I do typically change both oil n filter every 3-4k miles if im not using the bike much... or if its gonna be a lot of riding during the summer ill change the filter after 2 3-4k interval oil changes if its within say 6-8 months.

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No issues here with the 3323. I'm using it on the 9er and my brothers fz8

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I use the Mobil 1 M1-110. It's the 3.25" Perfectly fits a gallon of oil.
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I use the Mobil 1 M1-110. It's the 3.25" Perfectly fits a gallon of oil.
Hmmm. I was thinking that one might fit the bike. That's the one I use on my Crv . Gotta love Honda

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