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post #1 of 23 Old 03-02-2019, 10:45 PM Thread Starter
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Best brake pad, are they all the same?

Looked at the brake pads, I'm due up pretty soon.

Is there any certain type that works best for common street use?

I see organic, semi, and sintered... don't know what OEM was, but is there any downside/upside to using any of these?

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I believe the OEM pads are some of the best. There are some posts here abouts.
They even have a thermal insulating backing.
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LDH has some strong views (you'll be surprised to hear)....He used to sell Carbone Lorraine, but I don't know if he still does, or what their intended application is/was.

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I believe the OEM pads are some of the best. There are some posts here abouts.
They even have a thermal insulating backing.
So what kind are OEM or are you talking about buying straight from Honda themselves?

Something like this:
https://www.hondaparts-direct.com/oe...AMCZ4F0900CC/y

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I Googled OEM brake pads wrist twisters and this popped up...Brake pads? https://www.wristtwisters.com/forums...ad.php?t=31855

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I just use Partzilla for OEM. My local Honda dealer is a pirate.
https://www.partzilla.com/catalog/ho...4/cb900f-a-919
So you'd be after actual Honda pads. I will warn you they are a little pricey. But well worth it.

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I believe the OEM pads are some of the best. There are some posts here abouts.
They even have a thermal insulating backing.
So what kind are OEM or are you talking about buying straight from Honda themselves?

Something like this:
https://www.hondaparts-direct.com/oe...AMCZ4F0900CC/y
I just checked your link. Yep, I'm sure they have em.

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Do they really sell these as a pair for one caliper only? So you need two sets to do the front end?

https://www.shop.kyleusa.com/searchq...rds=cl2245xbk5

These don't say pair or set, but there's this:

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"Carbonne Lorraine XBK5 Street Brake Pads - Honda 919 - Performance oriented Sportbike brake pad for street and occasional track use
Sold as a pair, one pair required for each caliper"
From post #49 https://www.wristtwisters.com/forums...s-31855-2.html


So a complete front setup would be $90 or $44.95 ?

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Yes you'll need to buy two pair. Partzilla have the OEM pads for $36.95 a pair.
I once brought a pair of pads for a bike thinking a pair was enough. Turns out I needed to buy another pair.

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Yes you'll need to buy two pair. Partzilla have the OEM pads for $36.95 a pair.
I once brought a pair of pads for a bike thinking a pair was enough. Turns out I needed to buy another pair.
Why in the world would they sell them as a 1/2 set? Who in the world changes 1/2 of their front brakes?

Cars don't do that, I'd done plenty of brake jobs on cars and they don't sell 2 brake pads, they sell a complete kit to do the entire front or rear because you never do just 1/2 of a set.

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Save on oil, save on gas- but do not scrimp on brakes.


Changed out brake pads from the originals of the used bike and put on EBC. Wow what a difference. Saved my derier a few times.

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Save on oil, save on gas- but do not scrimp on brakes.


Changed out brake pads from the originals of the used bike and put on EBC. Wow what a difference. Saved my derier a few times.
So EBC was better than stock?

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So EBC was better than stock?
Whoa....here we go....

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Save on oil, save on gas- but do not scrimp on brakes.


Changed out brake pads from the originals of the used bike and put on EBC. Wow what a difference. Saved my derier a few times.

Of course they did...


There is always that one guy on every brake thread and this time it is you bro


http://www.rogueracing.org/hrcpads.htm
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So EBC was better than stock?
My experience with EBC on the 919 has been consistent... they seem better when first installed, but start to fade after a couple thousand miles. They also tend to eat the 919's rotors up much quicker. I stick with stock pads.
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I'm going to try the Carbone Lorraine pads, front and back next time. I've been looking and LDH is right, they are cheaper than OEM.

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Been using the CL pads from LDH for quite a while now and I am completely happy with them

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This thread came up at a good time, I was just looking for a way to add some more bite to the 919 brakes. After riding a couple of other newer bikes, it was sad to see that of all of them, the 919 had the worst brake bite. I've been using the OEM for the longest time, just recently tried some EBC HH pads and it wasn't worth the switch. I feel like they provided 95% of the friction that OEM pads did, but for some reason I had problems with these pads acquiring a brake drag problem for literally no reason at all, which after reading LDH's explanation, I think I understand where it came from.

I guess I'll try those CL pads, but I'm not sure if I should go for the street pads or the race pads. I suppose if I don't like them, I can just save a set for trackday/deals gap only and get the streets.

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This thread came up at a good time, I was just looking for a way to add some more bite to the 919 brakes. After riding a couple of other newer bikes, it was sad to see that of all of them, the 919 had the worst brake bite. I've been using the OEM for the longest time, just recently tried some EBC HH pads and it wasn't worth the switch. I feel like they provided 95% of the friction that OEM pads did, but for some reason I had problems with these pads acquiring a brake drag problem for literally no reason at all, which after reading LDH's explanation, I think I understand where it came from.

I guess I'll try those CL pads, but I'm not sure if I should go for the street pads or the race pads. I suppose if I don't like them, I can just save a set for trackday/deals gap only and get the streets.
Looking at some other threads, I wonder if it wouldn't be a better idea to swap the calipers first, then buy the new pads to match the new calipers.

Someone suggested the 600RR or 954/900RR calipers.

I see used calipers for cheap on eBay, but the question is which ones would offer larger surface and are a direct bolt on.

The other thread suggested 10% more area with the 600RR calipers, didn't see any specs on the 900.

https://www.wristtwisters.com/forums...ade-25077.html

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F4i calipers are cheap, there's lots of them, they have a nominally greater pad area by about 10%, and are arched for the F4i rotor diameter and sweep, which happens to be the same as the 919.
Caliper pistoning design is quite complex, and calipers for larger rotors, higher top speeds, and greater braking forces being applied, will have some different design factors as compared to something like F4i calipers.
Just because other calipers will mount up and provide decent or even equal sweep with more pad area, does not at all mean they are the most desirable selection.

For the above reasons, I have a set of F4i calipers on hand to retrofit to my 919.
I may be starting with an 07 GSX-R600/750 radial master cylinder also on hand, but ultimately want to have a Brembo, and if I can swing to start with it, I will.

I'm not yet done with the development of my 919. LoL!
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If you want "bite" then try a set of Vesrah pads. I changed to them front and rear on my 919 and was astounded at the difference. They do have a slight tendency to squeak sometimes but they are very effective. Only my Street Triple R has a better initial bite. So far I don't see any rotor erosion from the pads which have been on there for about 6000 miles now.

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What I find most interesting about this thread is how many people prefer the harder initial bite. That is a characteristic of braking performance that is generally more for track use and not really desirable for street riding. Harder initial bite makes it much more difficult to scrub speed mid-corner where the contact patch is very limited and of course that is the kind of scenario that happens on street rides quite often when you find debris or animals etc in your way around a bend.
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Guilty as charged. I like a stout initial bite. My '08 990 Super Duke and my 848 Streetfighter are that way. You just get used to it, and develop a softer touch.

Every new bike comes with some sort of wussified abs. What ever. I'm going to stick to the older motorcycles until they're completely worn out.

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