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post #1 of 43 Old 10-21-2014, 09:22 AM Thread Starter
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919 dual or single exhaust

Hi All,

Quick question about the 919 exhaust is it worth upgrading the two cans or doing the single exhaust 900rr mod ?

Out of the two options:
- financially: which is the cheapest?
- technically: which one provides bigger improvement to the bike?


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The 900rr mod is obviously more expensive since you will need to acquire that header, or a similar one, then get an exhaust for that.

However....I think the single side exhaust looks much better.

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I think you missed the biggest question... Which do you think looks better?
I believe you stand to gain more from a single can setup, maybe from weight loss alone, but personally I've ruled that out for myself because I don't care for the look as much.

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I really really really like what g00gl3it did with his bike with a carbon shorty exhaust and the black headers.

I believe he mentioned that its actually cheaper to do the mod because the headers aren't as expensive as a can. So 2 cans < 1 headder + 1 can...

Yoshimura TRS Dual Slip-on Exhaust will knock me back 860CAD. No way a header is 430CAD ie 382USD. I haven't really checked so I might be dreaming. I hope i'm not though...

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It's a personal preference in my opinion. My '03 has stock dual cans without a bafflectomy and sounds just fine with 71K on the clock. The '06 can with dual yoshimura exhaust and is a bit more "throaty" when you get on the throttle. I just prefer the look of the dual undertail exhaust as I think it defines the 919.

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It's a personal preference in my opinion. My '03 has stock dual cans without a bafflectomy and sounds just fine with 71K on the clock. The '06 can with dual yoshimura exhaust and is a bit more "throaty" when you get on the throttle. I just prefer the look of the dual undertail exhaust as I think it defines the 919.

Spend the money on suspension upgrades and don't worry about weight saving.

Without a bafflectomy? 2x Negative ?Doesn't that mean that they are just pure stock? ie baffles still in?

So how does a 919 sound without bafles in?

EDIT: sounds awesome without bafles...

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I really really really like what g00gl3it did with his bike with a carbon shorty exhaust and the black headers.

I believe he mentioned that its actually cheaper to do the mod because the headers aren't as expensive as a can. So 2 cans < 1 headder + 1 can...

Yoshimura TRS Dual Slip-on Exhaust will knock me back 860CAD. No way a header is 430CAD ie 382USD. I haven't really checked so I might be dreaming. I hope i'm not though...
Eh, it's only cheaper if you can source cheap used headers and a cheap(er) single can.

My headers were around $90 on ebay, but the can was $500+. You can get used dual exhaust for much cheaper than that combo.

I did it primarily for looks.

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I have a single exhaust that is not a 900 header but just a modified 919 one that i bought from a user on here. The reason why i did it is because every time i got off the bike i would get people telling me that i reak of exhaust and i ride daily so that was a big problem for me. The single exhaust solved that for me. And i also love the look of it. But as many users said it's all up to how you think it looks best.

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I have a single exhaust that is not a 900 header but just a modified 919 one that i bought from a user on here. The reason why i did it is because every time i got off the bike i would get people telling me that i reak of exhaust and i ride daily so that was a big problem for me. The single exhaust solved that for me. And i also love the look of it. But as many users said it's all up to how you think it looks best.
You got any pictures of said low mount single exhaust on the 919.

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You got any pictures of said low mount single exhaust on the 919.
lol ill be sure to get some soon, btw i'm very happy with the exhaust the modification on the pipe was minimal and everything was extremely clean thanks.

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I bought a new Delkevic header on Craig's list from someone looking to do the conversion who just had to many projects going. He sold it to me for $160.00. The pipe I also bought from CL for $150.00. It was much longer but I cut it down and made it sound and look better imo. Altogether $310.00 I felt was a great price for new pipes and a used can. Since then I have removed license plate holder & shovel fender and relocated th plate and used led's mounted next to the tail light. I love how easy it is to mod this bike out.

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Fortunately I was able to buy my 919 off my buddy with the header conversion done already. That was a big selling point.

I was looking at other 919s and what it might be to get the headers, which can be hard to come by.

I really like the single side mount. I've seen some guys with the high mount and that looks pretty cool too. And even more recently saw a custom single can undertail exhaust, which I really really like.


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The pipe ... was much longer but I cut it down and made it ... look better
Good-looking bike, man - I agree that part of the visual appeal of the lo-mount exhaust comes with not having too much overhang - tucking it in tightly to the bike is a challenge, but makes a big difference.

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What exhaust is that? Looks very nice

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Is it just me or it seems like Hornet owners want low mount exhaust, while SV owners want high mount exhaust. How odd is that? I think they just got the wrong bike to begin with.

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Is it just me or it seems like Hornet owners want low mount exhaust, while SV owners want high mount exhaust. How odd is that? I think they just got the wrong bike to begin with.
I think the infamous exhaust stink is what drive most people to switch to the low mount exhaust on the 919. I know that was my reason.

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I've never had an issue with stink on my 919, neither my wife nor I have noticed smelling after a ride. However, after a two hour jaunt the other day we discovered that the clothes I packed in the topcase reaked. Neither of us smelled but somehow the box trapped in fumes and left our sweatshirts smelling horribly.

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I've never had any problem with stink on my bike, I just liked the look of some of the low mounts on here, and wanted to give it a shot as a bit of a winter project.

All went well, a good bit of fun, loving the outcome [and the new sound of the R1 can], not going back.

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I like the look of the dual undertail and sound of my stock pipes, but the stink is really starting to bug me. Bad!

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Here's a pic of my exhaust
That looks very nice and clean. I also like how you blacked out everything

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I like the look of the dual undertail and sound of my stock pipes, but the stink is really starting to bug me. Bad!
This is the same position that drove me to the low-mount option. My wife basically refused to ride until I got an exhaust that didn't make her hair smell funky after a ride. I don't miss the appearance of the high-mount enough to accept the stench.

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Is it just me or it seems like Hornet owners want low mount exhaust, while SV owners want high mount exhaust. How odd is that? I think they just got the wrong bike to begin with.
Personally I like the look of the exhaust; it helps set the 9er apart from the others IMO. Also I don't like how the back end looks super thin and frail with the exhaust re positioned.
As far as the stench goes, it's been a non-issue for me. The only time I even smell it is in the garage. I do smell it a BIT more now that I punched some holes in the baffles, but its still pretty insignificant. None of my riding gear smells, nor have I gotten any comments.

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My pipe is an ixle hyperlow and Leo vince link pipe for a cb1000r

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My pipe is an ixle hyperlow and Leo vince link pipe for a cb1000r
was that a bolt up or does it take some creativity?

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My pipe is an ixle hyperlow and Leo vince link pipe for a cb1000r
That gives a nice clean look to the side, I like how it doesn't overlap the swingarm and tire/wheel area. It also looks like it would be super loud, is it?

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Reviving this thread, as I've started to notice some stink on my clothes...


I have a feeling there's a bit of a leak where the slip on attach to the Y-pipe... Any idea how I could go about getting a tighter fit ? Aluminium foil perhaps ?



I think I'm going to try to find some carbon tri-yoshi.


ALSO, for those that went the 900rr header + 1 can, did you guys have to do a remap of the ECU ?


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Ewmin. Maybe try tweaking your fuel map a little. I never had any stink when running lean maps. Now that I've switched to wide open cans and a rich map I stink after a hard ride. Textile jackets and backpacks also seem to be exhaust sponges. Very little stink if I'm using my dead cow skin jacket.

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I didn't specify but if you do go for the 900rr header, would you be able to attach ANY slip on that fits WITHOUT doing a tune ?
I'm really liking those 3/4 Carbon Yoshimura slip-ons or if I could get my hand on one of those wrap around the swing arm pipes from Ferris Buell picture




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Ewmin. Maybe try tweaking your fuel map a little. I never had any stink when running lean maps. Now that I've switched to wide open cans and a rich map I stink after a hard ride. Textile jackets and backpacks also seem to be exhaust sponges. Very little stink if I'm using my dead cow

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I didn't specify but if you do go for the 900rr header, would you be able to attach ANY slip on that fits WITHOUT doing a tune ?
I'm really liking those 3/4 Carbon Yoshimura slip-ons or if I could get my hand on one of those wrap around the swing arm pipes from Ferris Buell picture




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Keep in mind how significantly mismatched a 900RR header is for a stock 919 engine.
Fueling changes are necessary in order to reasonably correct for that.
Without remapping, I'd predict the fueling in the low to medium revs and low to medium throttle positions to be lousy.
The primary issue is the 900 header, not the can one might use, a proper can assumed that is.
(unlike our European member from a few months back who made his own baffle as inserted into the header end, and absolutely strangled the engine).
A decent can just won't make it any worse.

If you want, download the free PC software for a PCIIIusb, and do map compare of the stock map to the few 900RR maps we have handy in the DropBox.
I think you'll see that as most insightful.
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That looks like a straight pipe :P


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The picture screams out of a totally cost engineered header designed that happens to fit the connection and attachment points.
There is no 2:1 intermediates ahead of the collector section.
It's a simple 4:1 and will behave like one, even worse so on a stock 919 engine.
No one in their right mind with a 900 would put one of those on instead of the OEM header, unless they just like the look and the noise, ahem, sound.

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Not sure what the final consensus for power loss but there was a guy here that put a 900RR header on with a muzzy pipe and gained power everywhere with a custom tune, no loss from what I understand. Has been duplicated?

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there was a guy here that put a 900RR header on with a muzzy pipe and gained power everywhere with a custom tune, no loss from what I understand.
On a stock 919 engine?
No way, not possible.
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On a stock 919 engine?
No way, not possible.
So what is recommended on a stock 919 then? Slip on replacements? Unless one really wants a single exhaust, then stick with a stock 900rr headpipe?

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So what is recommended on a stock 919 then? Slip on replacements? Unless one really wants a single exhaust, then stick with a stock 900rr headpipe?
The OEM 919 header is excellent for all round use.
Good slips ons are a great substitution to the deadly quiet stockers that weigh a tonne.
But one is then still left with the notorious stink of the centre high exhaust exits.
Personally, I won't give up my twin Yosh TRS's!

If one is absolute on wanting a single outlet, my sense is that a 900RR header will be better than anything aftermarket that is actually currently available.
(I also think that simple 4:1s are to avoided as compared to the 4:2:1 of the 900 and 919 header designs)
BUT I think a reworked 919 header to make it exit like a 900RR would be better than a 900RR header.
However, that would take some fabrication work way beyond bolt on, which makes the 900RR header more enticing to most.

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Lucky for me I have no stink with the stock exhaust. That said I do like the look of single exhaust, particularly the modern appeal of a very short system.

And since I just cant see myself dropping nearly a grand(cad$) on a nice slip on set, maybe I will contemplate a stock header rework with a short can of sorts.

Something to think about at least
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