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I have a tick in my chain at one particular spot that I cannot figure out what is causing it. When I manually roll the chain over the sprocket I can feel the teeth protrude further in this spot than any other. My chain is also stretched almost as far as it will go.
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Time for a new chain/sprockets I'd say

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Time for a new chain/sprockets I'd say
The sprockets look brand new. Just a bit dirty

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Always better to change them as a set what brand of chain is on there currently? I was tight on cash and put on a cheep Chinese chain with the old sprockets and it only lasted about 5k miles I bought a DID and new sprockets and they are going strong now with prolly 8k I hit the oiler button every fuel up and clean the chain with wd40 when it needs also remember to set your slack with the tire on the ground not on the center stand

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Always better to change them as a set what brand of chain is on there currently? I was tight on cash and put on a cheep Chinese chain with the old sprockets and it only lasted about 5k miles I bought a DID and new sprockets and they are going strong now with prolly 8k I hit the oiler button every fuel up and clean the chain with wd40 when it needs also remember to set your slack with the tire on the ground not on the center stand
The set was on it when I bought it 10,000 miles ago, I use wd40 as a lube and I have no center stand. I use the swingarm stand.

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Definite time for a new chain and sprockets and if you wait any longer maybe even a new set of bearings.

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Definite time for a new chain and sprockets and if you wait any longer maybe even a new set of bearings.
I didn't think about that some of that noise could be coming from the wheel bearings as well I replaced mine at about 35k that was a scary situation when they went lost all the balls on the brake side on my way home from work

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Hard to tell from the video if the whole wheel is moving. May be worth checking the wheel bearings.

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Yeah, replace them and replace as a set other wise the chain can prematurely wear out.

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The set was on it when I bought it 10,000 miles ago, I use wd40 as a lube and I have no center stand. I use the swingarm stand.
Can you clarify? WD-40 is NOT a lubricant.

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Can you clarify? WD-40 is NOT a lubricant.
Not so fast. I am currently at 6700 miles on a chain/sprocket set using a liberal squirt of WD40 pretty much every time I get on the bike - and my axle is still in the front of the slots. I wouldn't have believed it either until I read it in an Iron Butt Magazine test. The key is effective heat dissipation so the internal grease doesn't thin and slip past the o-rings. So you have to spray in often and keep the chain nice and wet.

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Spyke, If your axle is at the end of its adjustment with new sprockets your chain is definitely toast. Get a new one on now or you'll kill those sprockets. Are you running 112 or 114 links?
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I'm not sure, it's the setup that was on it when I bought it. I can try counting it when I get off work.

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I have a tick in my chain at one particular spot that I cannot figure out what is causing it. When I manually roll the chain over the sprocket I can feel the teeth protrude further in this spot than any other. My chain is also stretched almost as far as it will go.
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The chain is stuffed, bro, get rid of it...Check for wheel bearing noise after you get the new chain in place [or try rocking the wheel to check for play in the rear now], but the chain is certainly dead.

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Chain, sprockets, bearings... do it all at the same time. It will make a HUGE difference.

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Not so fast. I am currently at 6700 miles on a chain/sprocket set using a liberal squirt of WD40 pretty much every time I get on the bike - and my axle is still in the front of the slots. I wouldn't have believed it either until I read it in an Iron Butt Magazine test. The key is effective heat dissipation so the internal grease doesn't thin and slip past the o-rings. So you have to spray in often and keep the chain nice and wet.

Read this: https://www.wristtwisters.com/forums/...ler-52514.html

Spyke, If your axle is at the end of its adjustment with new sprockets your chain is definitely toast. Get a new one on now or you'll kill those sprockets. Are you running 112 or 114 links?
So just to clarify, you agree that WD40 is not a lubricant... but it is effective at absorbing gunk on the chain and flinging off, and helping dissipate heat so that the grease that's actually lubricating the chain can do its job...

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The use of WD40 on a chain is as big of a question as Oil is and just as controversial.

I personally would not use it but I don't give other people shit for using it. I know it was not engineered for this type thing and that other products on the market have been and do the job properly. You also don't need to lube the chain every time you ride but some people prefer to do it that way too.

If it makes one feel like they are getting the most out of their money by using a certain product and taking extra steps in their chain maintenance, then by all means let them do it.

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So if someone used WD40 to clean things up, they should be able to wipe it down and oil as normal after than without any damage?

In other words, is WD40 a better way to clean so that you don't end up with a bunch of corrosive chems in the chain that'll kill it's life.

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^^ That's exactly what I do... it cleans it without stripping off too much lubricant, does not dissolve what's there, just removes grime.

Then re-lubricate.

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So if someone used WD40 to clean things up, they should be able to wipe it down and oil as normal after than without any damage?

In other words, is WD40 a better way to clean so that you don't end up with a bunch of corrosive chems in the chain that'll kill it's life.
It depends on the chain maker. Some say you can (and indeed should) use WD40 as a chain cleaner, others suggest something else. Nobody suggests it as a lubricant for the chains they make, though.

Me, I'm over 20K on an RK chain and Sunstar sprockets and I've only ever cleaned the chain twice. The rest of the time, I've just run my chain oiler and never had to deal with it. I've only had to adjust the chain tension once, too.

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So just to clarify, you agree that WD40 is not a lubricant... but it is effective at absorbing gunk on the chain and flinging off, and helping dissipate heat so that the grease that's actually lubricating the chain can do its job...
It has enough kerosene in it to possess some lubricating properties. Most of a chain's stress occurs between the pin and pin housing so keeping the grease there cooler to prevent thinning and escaping past the o-rings makes sense to me. Otherwise, some friction occurs between the outer surface of the pin housing and the inner surface of the roller as the chain is pressed against the sprockets under load. The lighter the fluid the easier it gets between the roller and pin housing. WD40 accomplishes this and evaporates quickly taking heat with it sort of like perspiration on your skin. So I learned that an application of WD40 is only good for about 50 miles of highway speed. That is one of the reasons I devised my spray on the fly system. Simplicity and time savings during iron butt rides figured prominently too.

Is anybody who is not using a chain oiler going 6700+ miles before needing to adjust their chain? I think that speaks for itself.
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Is anybody who is not using a chain oiler going 6700+ miles before needing to adjust their chain? I think that speaks for itself.
Been there, done that. Don't use an oiler. Not arguing that it isn't convenient, that's for sure. Did a lot of maintenance on my chain.

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Been there, done that. Don't use an oiler. Not arguing that it isn't convenient, that's for sure. Did a lot of maintenance on my chain.
I can honestly say this has been so easy. I just sit on the bike at 20mph and hold the top of the can down for a few seconds.


And clean up is so easy too. An "indirect" high pressure spray makes dirt and residue fall right off.


I keep reading posts about what WD40 is not - but I'm actually doing it. I am putting my money where my mouth is and risking a $200 chain. So far so good.
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So it turns out that I have a few missing rollers on my stock chain, 28500 miles ain't so bad. The sprockets still look new.

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So it turns out that I have a few missing rollers on my stock chain, 28500 miles ain't so bad. The sprockets still look new.
28k would be a record I think. My oem chain was spitting o-rings at 10k. Ya can't always see sprocket wear with the naked eye. Put the base of a 10mm or 13/32 drill bit in the sprocket teeth. It should fit snug. If not I'd replace both chain and sprockets.
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The sprockets still look new.
If they've been on there the whole time the chain has, they are not new. They are worn, and your new chain will be also if you don't replace them.

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You don't want them to end up looking like this LOL


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So it turns out that I have a few missing rollers on my stock chain, 28500 miles ain't so bad. The sprockets still look new.
I wouldn't ride it until you change out the chain and sprockets. You risk breaking a chain and cracking you engine case.

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