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599 Gauges

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I'm fixing a 599 for my friend, we had to replace the frame due to a crash he had. In the accident the gauges got smashed, He didn't wanna pay the price for the OEM honda gauges so he bought ones off ebay from china.

Of course now we are having problems with them. The biggest being the tach, the speedo and all the other lights work and read right, but the tach is very slow to react to rpm changes.

All the wiring is right and all wires are accounted for and it's pretty hard to get the wiring wrong on these bikes as it's pretty simple, The bike runs great and all the wiring for the coils are ran right.

My question is, Does anyone know where the tach gets it's info from, does it read from the coils or from the ecu? I'm blaming it on the cheap gauges.

Any ideas would be nice.
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post #2 of 23 Old 08-03-2012, 02:32 PM
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Depending on where in NS you are..... you might want to send Ian (Helimech) a message. He is in coal harbour and has real good knowlege of these machines.

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post #3 of 23 Old 08-03-2012, 03:11 PM
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Where re you located? If you are in or close to HRM i could probably come take a look.

A few quick questions...
- Do you have the 599 HSM wiring diagrams?
- Did the knock off gauges come with a wiring diagram?
- Do you still have the old smashed gauges?

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Where re you located? If you are in or close to HRM i could probably come take a look.

A few quick questions...
- Do you have the 599 HSM wiring diagrams?
- Did the knock off gauges come with a wiring diagram?
- Do you still have the old smashed gauges?

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Hey,

I'm just outside of mahone bay, but it's my friends bike and he lives in halifax, although the bike is going back up to halifax next week.

I have the honda service manual with the wiring diagram

The cheap gauges didn't come with a diagram, the connectors are all color matched and stuff, but from looking at the connectors the new gauges have one extra pin in one of the connectors (HISS system I assume as the gauges have the light for it {and it flashes}) The original connector just had a blank spot in that same pin location.
I have the other gauges, although they are in quite a few pieces

I did notice a couple things with the gauges but i'm not 100% sure if it's normal or not, maybe another 599 owner could answer?

I know on my past FI bikes (919, gsxr etc) when the gauges go through the self check at the start, they sweep fast. These ones sweep slow in my opinion (compared to other bikes) but maybe that's normal for a carb'd 599?

I also noticed that the temp gauge doesn't seem quite right, the bike seems like it's warming up alot and the gauge doesn't seem to read it, and if it does ..it's slow. (Temp and tach are in the same cluster) I know how to check that though, the fan is working anyways Low fuel light doesn't work ..although the sensor in the tank might have been damaged in the crash.

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F4i gauges fit perfect 599 fearing, look better than 599 gauges IMO, much easier to find used and cheaper. Also they are OEM Honda so wiring doesn't change much.



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post #6 of 23 Old 08-04-2012, 10:35 AM
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It will be hard to sort it without the wiring schematic for the knock off gauges.

I know overseas they offered the cb400 & 600 for many years before and after the north american market. Just because the plugs and wire colors match up, doesn't necessarily meen it's going to be plug and play.

If the circuit board for the OEM gauges is still good maybe you can swap the board into the knock off housing. Or at least use the old harness to make a jumper harness that u can use to test the new gauges.

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If the circuit board for the OEM gauges is still good maybe you can swap the board into the knock off housing. Or at least use the old harness to make a jumper harness that u can use to test the new gauges.
Thats a damn good idea, I'll have a look over the other gauges, hopefully the tach mainboard is still in good shape.

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Hi Guys,

If these are the Popluar Chinese guages your referring too, I requested an install manual, which they Emailed to me.
I could send you a copy if you like.

Additionally, Some Say* (disclaimer) wrapping the Tach lead from the gauges directly to the spark plug wire, offers a quicker repsonse.
But, you know the internet. Full of experts.

I haven't bought the Chinese gauges as I'm considering the F4I guages as well. They are not plentiful to find used, especially here in Nova Scotia.


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Hi Guys,

If these are the Popluar Chinese guages your referring too, I requested an install manual, which they Emailed to me.
I could send you a copy if you like.

Additionally, Some Say* (disclaimer) wrapping the Tach lead from the gauges directly to the spark plug wire, offers a quicker repsonse.
But, you know the internet. Full of experts.

I haven't bought the Chinese gauges as I'm considering the F4I guages as well. They are not plentiful to find used, especially here in Nova Scotia.

Barry might have a set of F4i gauges at RPM cycle in Dartmouth, I grabbed a set of F4i forks for cheap there a few weeks back. What kind of bike are you thinking about running the gauges on.

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I have an 05 919, that came from RPM.
I bought it from the person that bought it titled "Rebuilt" from them.

In all fairness to them, I don't know how much it was actually finished before they sold the "Carcass".

It hasn't any guages on it right now, except for a mini Cats Eye bicycle speedo.
It has what I believe are pre-05 43mm forks. Certainly not F4I or 05 919 forks. Front fender is cracked down the middle.
The radiator was possibly off of a CBR900RR, which I have since replaced with a proper Rad and Fan.

All that said, it's in very good condition, and I plan to put a Gixxer front end on it anyway. That'll allow me to install, Fat Bars too!
I've put a couple of thousand Km.s on it since purchasing it in May and out of all the bikes I've owned in the last several years, this "Rat Bike" might be my favorite!
I've already purchased the 98 900RR Header and 07 R6 Muffler.
It'll have an LSL Ducati Streetfighter replica headlight, integrated taillight, and Charcoal Paint with a Ducati "Monster-esq" silver stripe.

I'm sorta using this picture of a Member's Bike as an inspirational template.


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Oh!

I'd be interested in those Pair Plates too!

My CnC machine is still only in the planning stages. lol

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No problem on the plates I have lots of sets available. You can pick them up in Dartmouth for cash or Paypal me the $ and I will throw them in the mail.

I know your 919 pretty well. I had a friend who has a dealer license bid on it at the insurance auction for me, unfortunately I lost out to Barry. After he had it in the shop I actually helped him find the forks for it, they are 02 919 forks from another Canadian WT member Blue919Guy.

As far as gauges are concerned I run a Koso-RX2N setup, Its a very nice aftermarket gauge setup and is worth every penny.

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Would your Friend be Jayski? From Cole Harbour?

You must be one of them Cole Harbour Hooligans?

Yes it has a few little "Issues", but I bought it as a project which this will
fit the bill perfectly.

I'll be taking the next few months and collecting everything I need.
Over the Winter, the bike will be going in my Rec. room where it'll recieve
all the TLC it deserves.










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Would your Friend be Jayski? From Cole Harbour?

You must be one of them Cole Harbour Hooligans?

Yes it has a few little "Issues", but I bought it as a project which this will
fit the bill perfectly.

I'll be taking the next few months and collecting everything I need.
Over the Winter, the bike will be going in my Rec. room where it'll recieve
all the TLC it deserves.



That's the one, its a great bike. I was planning on rebuilding it and flipping it, i had a bunch of extra 919 parts at that time.

I do live in Cole Harbour, not much of a hooligan anymore. I dont know Jayski personally, but his name is familiar from the local street bike forum.

If you ever need help with your 9er let me know. Parts, questions etc. I parted a '06 awhile ago and rebuilt/customized my '02 over the past winter.

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I'm not much of a Hooligan anymore either.

At Fifty years old I'm expected to be a bit more laid back now.

I spent many years Moderating Speedjunkie.ca, and got to know
a great deal of the HRM guys.

I still have some communication with them, but not as often as I'd like.
Time has a habit of doing that.

There are a few things I'm looking for...

I'd like a rear fender.
Radiator Guard, and side trim brackets.
OEM Signal lights
Front Fender
and I'd consider front forks with the preload and compression adjustment.

Ian, maybe you know.

...why do you suppose the left caliper has been shimmed about 3mm
while the right is not?

The calipers look right and the rotors appear to be the same.

I just can't imagine why it's been shimed.

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Rear fender? Do you mean the whole rear seat cowl? If so, I have one here (Oromocto, nb)I am trying to sell. $100 free-ish shipping. My parents are visiting from Eastern Passage for the weekend..... You can find pics in the classified section.

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Do you mean the whole rear seat cowl?
Hi... No, not the tail section.

I meant the fender that the rear signal lights and license plate mount to.
Thanks just the same.


Additionally, I'd like to find a Rad. guard and both rad guard mounting brackets.

They sell for like, $150 for the works on Ebay used...
I just can't justify that kind of money for a plastic guard and two lieces of angled aluminium. lol

Ian, just wondering again about the shims on the left caliper.

Hoping you can enlighten me?

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Hey Justplayinbob

I am damn sure I have the rear fender and all the signals lights off my 919 sitting out in the garage, I will sell them for fairly cheap as I don't need them. I'm just outside of Mahone Bay.

I will double check this evening to see if they are there.

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Totally forgot to reply to this a few days back.

I don't have any of those parts, i may have 1 aluminum radio end guard that u can have i will have to check.

As far as the shimming on the caliper i am not 100% sure. I am thinking it might have a F4 front wheel, to replace the damaged 919 wheel. This might be the reason behind the shims? Maybe call Barry and ask if its a 919 wheel or not?

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F4 and 919 front rotors are the same, also the wheels are both three spoke but have some slight differences.

Bob i have a original 919 kph gauge cluster circuit board also. You would need a case and harness to fit it on your bike.

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Thanks!
The front wheel explanation might be spot on.

I may take a drive to RPM tomorrow.

So now it's Pair plates "and" Rad guard. lol

As for the instrument cluster, I may look over the Winter for an F4I cluster, if not I may go aftermarket.

I'm strongly considering a radical front suspension assembly Mod.
Gixxer or Roadstar.

This thing might just get "Bobbed" over the Winter. lol

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Justplayinbob I have the parts, PM me if you are interested


Sorry for the delay, I got caught up working on the drz last night

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the tacho speedo you have a pic of

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Barry might have a set of F4i gauges at RPM cycle in Dartmouth, I grabbed a set of F4i forks for cheap there a few weeks back. What kind of bike are you thinking about running the gauges on.
hi I have a motoguzzi that im remodelling and have purchased one of these cheap Chinese digital speedo tachos, itsa a mare to install. do you have a intrsuction set or wiring diagram available if so I would appreciate a xopy . I have contacted the produces and I got a diagram in Chinese and color cose to wires is different lol. my email is [email protected]
many thanks if you can assist

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