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30mpg... the fack!?

Rode ~600 miles west today. The BEST mpg I got was 35. THIRTY FIVE miles to the friggin gallon! I took I-90 through South Dakota, going 80 most of the time (at 80 I was at 5500rpm). Bike has stock gearing, Sato cans, Power Commander III USB. I have maybe 20 - 30 pounds worth of gear on the back.

Why? WHY?!

I'm used to 40+ mpg, and that's with spirited riding. Probably shoulda got that 44 tooth rear sprocket before I left...

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Tons of things could effect the fuel mileage... We could go down the list of reasons fuel economy suffers, but that seems tedious,

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what year is the bike?

someone reported a significant MPG increase upon replacement of their FPR.

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how many miles? does it do alot of winter sitting?

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Tire pressure, air filter check out? Do you have a lot of gear interfering with aero? At highway speeds w your reported rpm, that's poor mileage.

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Checked filter before I left, it's good.

Tire pressure checked every other fillup, so 200 miles. I inflated an extra 2 pounds in each tire.

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how many miles? does it do alot of winter sitting?
Just turned 19500. Can't comment on winter sitting, owned the bike for 2 months. But it must've sat outside quite a bit. Found a handful of acorns and bunch of lint in the air filter when I bought it. Little oxidation here and there.

I have another 600 miles to put down today, would rather not stop every 100.

Also, is it normal to have coolant drip out near the rear brake level? I'm guessing it's an overflow tube? My old 919 did the same thing.

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Definitely low gas mileage. I put 2600 miles on mine on a long, mostly highway trip fully loaded down with saddlebags, 2 tail bags, and a tank bag, and was still averaging low 40s for my gas mileage. I do have a 17t front sprocket, but that wouldn't affect mpg to the degree you're seeing. My ODO reads low compared to my buddy's bike by about 5%, so if anything, I'm actually getting slightly better mpg than my recorded data shows (assuming his ODO is correct and mine is slow).

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even me mobbing the canyons like a boss, i dont drop down below 35... hwy is usually 40-45.

stock gearing, and probably lower tire pressure than you (30/30psi).

Sounds like you have a power commander, try unplugging it completely and seeing if that gets you back to normal mileage.

Also might pull plug number 1 (furthest cylinder left if your sitting on the bike) and plug number 2 (one to the right of cyl 1) spark plugs, and take a picture / compare them. If plug 2 is darker than 1, your FPR might have a small leak.

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I've owned 2 919s and have never got more than 40 mpg. 36-37 mpg is typical. Every once in a while it'll be 31-32 mpg.

'07 919 with 17,500 miles, 17/44 gearing, PC III

I just ordered a new FPR. We'll see if it makes any difference. If not, I'll try a couple tanks with no PC III.

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Isn't there another thread where 919 fuel has gone missing? Are they leaking?

Have you left your bikes side while on this trip? Zombies may be syphoning your fuel! locking cap?

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even me mobbing the canyons like a boss, i dont drop down below 35... hwy is usually 40-45.

stock gearing, and probably lower tire pressure than you (30/30psi).

Sounds like you have a power commander, try unplugging it completely and seeing if that gets you back to normal mileage.

Also might pull plug number 1 (furthest cylinder left if your sitting on the bike) and plug number 2 (one to the right of cyl 1) spark plugs, and take a picture / compare them. If plug 2 is darker than 1, your FPR might have a small leak.
What is FPR? Lol

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Fuel Pressure Regulator. A $50 part that is known to fail.

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Fuel Pressure Regulator. A $50 part that is known to fail.
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I've owned 2 919s and have never got more than 40 mpg. 36-37 mpg is typical. Every once in a while it'll be 31-32 mpg.

'07 919 with 17,500 miles, 17/44 gearing, PC III

I just ordered a new FPR. We'll see if it makes any difference. If not, I'll try a couple tanks with no PC III.
This is close to my story.cept I'm still on my first 919.

I'm sittting on 86,747 miles right now.30-35 mpg is what I get with my daily ride.When I get out on weekends and ride a bit more spirted I get better milage closer to 40-42.I think it has to do with the gas.Local to me the gas is not as good.where I top off at for a weekend ride as better gas.Also I think the 919er just like to be put through the paces.


I've also noticed that in colder weather(as in sub 40) the gas milage drops again sometimes to sub 30mpg.

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This is close to my story.cept I'm still on my first 919.

I'm sittting on 86,747 miles right now.30-35 mpg is what I get with my daily ride.When I get out on weekends and ride a bit more spirted I get better milage closer to 40-42.I think it has to do with the gas.Local to me the gas is not as good.where I top off at for a weekend ride as better gas.Also I think the 919er just like to be put through the paces.

I've also noticed that in colder weather(as in sub 40) the gas milage drops again sometimes to sub 30mpg.
I have also been curious about the mpg i have been getting out of my bike, i was doing a log for a couple of months and i think my average was around 35-38, riding as a daily rider/commuter, no extended trips. Would be nice if there was a little switch you could hit to either maximize fuel economy or horsies

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I have also been curious about the mpg i have been getting out of my bike, i was doing a log for a couple of months and i think my average was around 35-38, riding as a daily rider/commuter, no extended trips. Would be nice if there was a little switch you could hit to either maximize fuel economy or horsies
there is a twisty thing on the right hand grip for that very purpose!

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there is a twisty thing on the right hand grip for that very purpose!
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there is a twisty thing on the right hand grip for that very purpose!
That's just to make it go faster, think ur taking about the lever on the left handle

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maybe im thinkg of the pull lever on the side of the motor... haha.

either way... 30mpg on the hwy means theres something up. Definitely pull #1 and #2 plugs and see if there is a major difference... if so... its the fpr.

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maybe im thinkg of the pull lever on the side of the motor... haha.

either way... 30mpg on the hwy means theres something up. Definitely pull #1 and #2 plugs and see if there is a major difference... if so... its the fpr.
Ok I'm done talking about lever pulling

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Thanks for the responses. Just got home tonight (11 hours in the saddle today). I noticed after I changed the mapping on the PC I got into the 40s. I got the best mileage in Wyoming, higher altitude have anything to do with this? On my way home through South Dakota I was in the 30s again.

Will definitely pull the plugs and check them out.

PS: If someone tells you that you can't plug a sportbike tire, don't believe them! Rode about 800 miles on a plugged rear to make it home. Checked pressure every 50 - 100 miles, never dropped. Was also doing 70-80 majority of the time. Random fact.

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I've owned 2 919s and have never got more than 40 mpg. 36-37 mpg is typical. Every once in a while it'll be 31-32 mpg.

'07 919 with 17,500 miles, 17/44 gearing, PC III

I just ordered a new FPR. We'll see if it makes any difference. If not, I'll try a couple tanks with no PC III.
Let us know! If my problem is in the FPR as well, it'd be nice to know how a new one works.

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Just rotate the throttle toward the front once in awhile, your mpg will go up :-)

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PS: If someone tells you that you can't plug a sportbike tire, don't believe them! Rode about 800 miles on a plugged rear to make it home. Checked pressure every 50 - 100 miles, never dropped. Was also doing 70-80 majority of the time. Random fact.
I plugged my rear Pilot Power, nail puncture almost perfectly centered on the tire. After 100 miles I couldn't find the area that I plugged. I ran the tire down to chords about 2,000 miles later. When I removed the tire there was a nice sized patch of sticky string plug material sealing the hole on the inside.

I would plug another tire and run it. YMMV

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We had a good discussion on tire plugs last year. Here was my summary:

It is obviously a divided topic. I checked many boards and it seems roughly 50/50 or so everywhere. The most interesting thing to me was that of the 50% that have used plugs, I only found 1 person who blew one out and he says he was doing 130 mph. You would think that if it were as dangerous as everyone on the other side of the fence says it is that more evidence of failures would be reported.

It seems too that if a patch/plug is going to be used, the inside, vulcanizing variety is most recommended.

Dunlop's take on the subject is often cited, since they do have some guidelines on tire repair. For example, this guy has an interesting take on the subject and notes some of the Dunlop comments:

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Let us know! If my problem is in the FPR as well, it'd be nice to know how a new one works.
The FPR is supposed to arrive by Thursday, which is perfect timing because I'm doing a 360 mile ride on Friday, a track day on Saturday, and leaving on a 5-day road trip on Sunday - so I'll be running at least 15 tanks of gas through her in 7 days. That should definitely be enough to let me know if the new FPR is making a difference or not! I'll keep you updated.

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Very nice MdToney, I'll be awaiting your report!

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Thanks for the responses. Just got home tonight (11 hours in the saddle today). I noticed after I changed the mapping on the PC I got into the 40s. I got the best mileage in Wyoming, higher altitude have anything to do with this? On my way home through South Dakota I was in the 30s again.

Will definitely pull the plugs and check them out.

PS: If someone tells you that you can't plug a sportbike tire, don't believe them! Rode about 800 miles on a plugged rear to make it home. Checked pressure every 50 - 100 miles, never dropped. Was also doing 70-80 majority of the time. Random fact.
a rear tire fine... for a limited basis... front no way in hell.

As far as altitude, you will definitely get BETTER gas mileage for 2 reasons. 1. Less dense air causes a significantly reduced air resistance while trying to move through it. 2. the less dense air needs less fuel to provide the proper fuel charge.

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Very nice MdToney, I'll be awaiting your report!

yeah please report back on your findings of MPG with the new fpr! that will be very interesting to see, and it sounds like we will get a good test group of gas tanks out of you!

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Well, I figured I should let the cat out of the bag.

The reason I got 5.2 gallons of gas in my tank, is I wired 15 FPR's up in series.

Evens things out. I got 60 miles to the gallon at 160mph.




In all seriousness, when I added my Sato pipes and PCIII, my fuel economy dropped from 40's to 30's. But I enjoyed the added power and smooth response, so I didn't care!

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Well, now I'm trying to find an FPR by the weekend... I ordered the FPR from PowerSportsPlus last week and it was supposed to arrive tomorrow. I just checked the order status online and it now says it'll 'ship' on the 23rd! I called to ask if that's correct, and they tell me that they're expecting it from the manufacturer in two days and will then send it to me. WTF?!
I cancelled the order and called the local dealer, and they can probably get the part by Friday, but instead of $59 shipped, it's going to cost $89 + tax!
I'm kinda hesitant to just throw down $100 since I don't even know if the new part will make any difference.

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What about that dealer we're meeting up at Yakima? I say just run with your FPR now and try going sans PCIII.

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Unplugging the PCIII might be a better test (it's free!). The PCIII came on my first 919. When the bike was totalled I pulled the PCIII off, and put it on my current 919 a couple days after buying it - so I haven't ridden more than a tank or two without a PCIII. Since both bikes have averaged the same mileage, (one had 9000 miles when I bought it, the other had 680 miles, so I don't think the FPR was bad on both), the PCIII seems to be the common denominator.

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something that occurred to me when thinking about fuel economy was shifting, and shifting frequency. Unless i'm on an interstate, i really dont ever get into 5th...should I change this? will this get me better mileage? Normally the fastest ill go on the 1 is about 60-65.

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Why is it that even when I'm buzzing the back roads 5th and 6th gear feels just fine

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