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post #1 of 44 Old 04-24-2015, 08:48 AM Thread Starter
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Shad side cases and racks on 919

As I've been looking at soft and hard options for bags on my 919... i'm finding it's getting tougher to find the swmotech racks. Givi's not so tough to find new...but not so much used.

I see that Shad is selling a kit with racks and bags for 399 for the whole kit http://www.shadonline.com/product-p/set-h0hr92sf.htm

This is attractive as it's a one-and-done solution.
Any downside?

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there is someone selling the top case mounts on ebay a lot cheaper.

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yep, i've seen that... but it's not the side kit. the side kit includes the bags and racks.

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$400 for racks AND cases seems to be reasonable.

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$400 for racks AND cases seems to be reasonable.
Hell yea it does... I spent that much on just my top case...

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shipping adds another 60 for me. considering this vs soft bags like a wolfman

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As I've been looking at soft and hard options for bags on my 919... i'm finding it's getting tougher to find the swmotech racks. Givi's not so tough to find new...but not so much used.

I see that Shad is selling a kit with racks and bags for 399 for the whole kit SHAD SH-42 Full Saddlebag Set HONDA VFR800

This is attractive as it's a one-and-done solution.
Any downside?
Motech racks for the 919 have been discontinued. Also, your link goes to a VFR800 rack kit, which won't fit the 919.

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the wristtwister code keeps rewriting the dang link. and the shad page is mucked up... the they have the kit for the 900 (i confirmed with their online help). the 900 kit is the SET-H0HR92SF, and the vfr800 is SET-H0VF82SF.
oh, and yeah, i know about the motech... i just figured one might see some used ones out there...and not so much...

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Looking for same thing. I have no luck finding used. Haven't been able to vulture some either. I'm in Point regularly if you want to order and split shipping.

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I ordered the racks and bags from shad. I haven't installed them yet. They are the same as some BMW OEM racks. I plan on installing them this week.

Drawbacks?

Need to swap out stock signals, there is a welded mount and supplied aftermarket signals that are not the best looking.

Aftermarket exhausts may not work with them.

I'll post pics of the mounting process.

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just did the math... there's barely any savings in shipping if you doubled the order...

Cheese, look forward to seeing the pics.

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I added only the Shad top case mount and the 40L case. I think it ran about $280-300. I have no complaints.

I just ordered a mount for the RT I just bought and move the case from one bike to the other. Can you believe BMW wants $900 for the top case?
What's worse is some buy it.

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I added only the Shad top case mount and the 40L case. I think it ran about $280-300. I have no complaints.
I would love to see some pics of the rack mounted. It can be mounted together with the side case mounts. I am having trouble picturing how the rear case mount and the side case mounts will go on together. I did a mock up with my side case mounts today and there is no way the grab handle is going to fit with the side case mounts without some serious modification. The instructions suggest it should.
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Other discoveries during the mock up tonight: 1. The stock turn signals will not fit with the racks (expected as they provide new signals and mounting points on the racks). 2. The stock signals are too big to mount to the racks without drilling the mounting holes. 3. The cbr250r signals I was hoping to use for the bike are too big to mount to the rack too. Photos of the supplied signals compared to the stock signals and the Cbr signals.
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Finally post in a row. I just checked the tail rack made by gn83tm on this site and it looks like it could bolt up with the shad side cases for a lightweight rack option.

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cheese, tough to see in that pic... will the grab rail not go on because it won't fit around the sockets on the rack where it takes its bolts?
Their pic online of the assembled unit shows the handle...but it's obviously "stacked." meaning not fitting flush or encompassing the shad mounting point.

Looking online... they currently have a pic of their top rack that isn't the same as the one that's on ebay right now... the ebay one I think you'd really end up stacking the attachment points that go where the grab handle goes.

Maybe their definition of "fit" isn't as pretty as ours? maybe they are setting it up so the grab handle is going to sit considerably higher than stock position?

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Yes the grab rail is stacked. You will need longer allies bolts to mount up the grab tails and the racks and the brag rail will be perched on top of the racks mounting points leaving a large gap. I'm sure there could be a cap fabbed up to cover the mounting point.

I asked shad about the rear rack mounting and they responded that it was designed to mount together, so I have no doubt it will go on together. I just wonder what it would look like.

It is a nice kit. While I posted the problems I was encountering, I don't regret getting the kit. The price was right. The quality is great. The customer service was great. I don't have enough miles with them to see how the initial quality translates into durability or usability.

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Case without the cover that can be painted who match your bike. The covers are included.
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Inside of case with the shelf that aids in loading the clamshell case and the retention straps:
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I'll try to post up a pic or two tomorrow/

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I would love to see some pics of the rack mounted. It can be mounted together with the side case mounts. I am having trouble picturing how the rear case mount and the side case mounts will go on together. I did a mock up with my side case mounts today and there is no way the grab handle is going to fit with the side case mounts without some serious modification. The instructions suggest it should.
Without looking at it more closely it's hard to tell, but are you sure it doesn't mount on top of the grab rail like the Givi system does?
Edit: I see now that the picture I posted is a 599, but the idea is the same
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Thanks for the pics so far. If you're still set up for the mockup, could you show or describe how the shad cases attach and detach from the side racks? I can't tell if they work like the article on Webbikeworld shows for the top case (three position key lock where last position releases cases from rack), or if it's some other mechanism.

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The mounting plate on the pic is very different than what is on the supplied racks. On the 919 racks there are two tall collars the bolts got brought that are the depth of the tail piece. When the grab handle is put on top it sits above everything. I saw the Givi mounting and I will see if it will mount from the top, but the instructions do not suggest that route.

My electronic should be in later this week. I will post an entire description of the install when the parts arrive.

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Sorry for the confusion... The picture I posted was an example of the GIVI rack and how they mount over the top of the grab bar using spacers. From the pictures of the Shad rack it looks like they are cylinders that might fit well in the gap left for screws in the grab bar, where the GIVI rack uses spacers.
Either way, good luck!
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Finished mounting. The racks will not fit over the top of the bran bar because of the clearance of the mounting holes on the grab bar versus the rack collars. The grab bar goes on top. It looks a little daft up close. Hard to tell from afar.

The bags mount easily and lock securely. They sit a little wide, but I think all 43l side cases do. Overall I am pleased. I think all the hard bag options have some compromises. The quality on these is top notch.
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Finished mounting. The racks will not fit over the top of the bran bar because of the clearance of the mounting holes on the grab bar versus the rack collars. The grab bar goes on top. It looks a little daft up close. Hard to tell from afar. The bags mount easily and lock securely. They sit a little wide, but I think all 43l side cases do. Overall I am pleased. I think all the hard bag options have some compromises. The quality on these is top notch.
Off topic, but what windscreen is that in that picture?

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Emgo Venom. I like it. No real miles with it yet, but it sits nice and low and shields the gauges nicely. No buffeting at lower speeds (<50 mph).

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Looks good, low enough that it might not direct dirty air up to the helmet at high speeds. Let us know how it works out at interstate speeds (70mph+) once you get more time with it!

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i still haven't moved on a set of these as i'm not sure i'm keeping my 919. But i did stick on a gn83tm rack.

studying your pics... I'm thinking if i try to use the two in conjunction...the best i can hope for is trying to stack the gn83tm on top...like the grab handle.

these pics show how it goes on...and i would bet the collars of the shad rack bolt mounts would be too big to fit against the uprisers of the gn83tm rack (I know this is a critical measurement as I couldn't even put washers on my bolts when i mounted it.

if i pick up the shad cases as well...thinking it may be an either/or situation.
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I like the look (and price) of the Shad cases compared to the Givi stuff. That mounting does seem a little weird and I'm sure the grab handle doesn't look the best mounted on top of the side case mounts.

As Carphunter said, it might be a tight fit to put my rack on first and then bolt on the Shad side frame. It looks like it might work though since the sleeves they use don't look much larger than the bolt heads.

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It looks like it might work though since the sleeves they use don't look much larger than the bolt heads.
If that's the case, could be a great combo.

I thought about it more last night and figured if it's not too much interferences, could just break out a dremel or grinder to relieve clearance for the collars or bolt heads as necessary.

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I'll measure the collars.

All of them measure a little different. The largest is 17mm or .67 inches.

I also included a pic of the grab handle mount up close.

I was thinking of picking up one of those rear racks. I would love to know if it will work with this rack.
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Rear view without the bags. It's a bit busy, but not terrible.
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They were short on the 42l bags so my order was filled with the 43 l bags. That is a large scorpion helmet. Roughly 20inshes long and 12 inches high tit the lowest point on the handle bulge. 13 inches to the top of the bag. The depth is a tough measurement. About 9 inches on the depth of the shelf. There is more space with the outer cover though.
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thanks for the measurement. I was wondering to know if my ten and other camping stuff would fit in them... sounds like it should.

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I'll measure the collars.

All of them measure a little different. The largest is 17mm or .67 inches.

I also included a pic of the grab handle mount up close.

I was thinking of picking up one of those rear racks. I would love to know if it will work with this rack.
I measured a couple of racks and it's 8.5mm from the center of the bolt holes to the material running vertically. So theoretically the 17mm diameter sleeves should fit on top of the rack mounting, but it will be snug. There is a little clearance in the bolt holes and that would help the situation out.

If you want to try a rack out let me know. If it ends up not fitting you can send it back (unaltered), and you'd only be out a little shipping cost.

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How much is shipping. I may be game. I have both the Corbin and stock saddle and I would be willing to post whatever pics people want.

Nice work on the rack. I have looked through the thread and it is nice to see the various bag options people are running.

A small modified rigid box would be interesting too.

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I've been shipping them using a USPS medium flat rate box and that's priced just under $13. The racks are $65, +shipping. I have them in 2 heights - the short one sits 1" above the seat lock cylinder and the tall one is 1" taller to better match the height of the Corbin. Shoot me a PM and I'll get you paypal info if you want to try one.

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