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post #1 of 41 Old 05-02-2006, 04:43 PM
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Ok. So I am sure that this has been asked before but I am too lazy to look that far. I currently have Dunlop 208 zr tires on my 919. They have between 2-3K on them. I ride mostly twisty mountain roads and they are very close to the wear markers. Of course the center of the tires have more tread left than the sides. I am guessing I have 3-500 miles left. I am planning on a track day soon so I think it is time to replace. Now, all my buddies ride Pilot powers and have only raved about them. Are they better tires than the 208's? I am more into a tire that will perform more than a tire for long wear. Now I only got at the most 3k out of the 208's. I dont want to go less mileage than that. I would love to hear some stories.

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You definately won't be disappointed in the powers. I just made the switch from 208's to the PP's, and did a trackday on them. I have never felt more stable than with these tires. There are pluses for the diablo corsa line as well. Dunlop also has the new qualifier out, but I don't know anyone that has run them yet. Anything you get will be a significant upgrade from the 208's. Hope this helps.

Edit: Here is a good link for a recent tire test by one of the top mags. http://www.zinio.com/express?issue=77606059

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I like Metzlers, and I think they have a better tire out now than the M-1. Never cared for the cupping of Dunlop's, although I run them on the Hurricane since they were standard bias ply of the time. Lot of good tires on the market now, so I won't give a "gotta have" opinion. I done track days on Metzler, Pirelli, and Bridgestone. All did well.

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You'll be hard pressed to find a tire that can outlast the 208 and still have good grip. The Qualifier is supposed to be similar in treadlife says Dunlop and everyone that I know that has them absolutely loves them. The treadlife has yet to be seen.

PS I've been riding 208's for the past 20K+ miles.


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Never cared for the cupping of Dunlop's, although I run them on the Hurricane since they were standard bias ply of the time.
This is very true. Hard braking and Dunlops tread pattern on these just chews the tire up. The Qualifiers have the same tread pattern.


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So i can't go wrong with the pilots? Will they last longer than the 208's?

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My cousin got about 4500 miles out of his last set of powers. They lasted through three track days and the rest were aggressive street miles on a 2001 RC-51.

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I have had Metzlers, they ar more round of a profile, therefore it probably means a slower roll in time. I have qualifiers now and what a wonderful tire it is

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Been thru 2 sets of 208zr's... now running the Q's. Put about 80 mis. or so on 'em last w/e... there's maybe 3/8" chicken strip. ...felt very confident.

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So i can't go wrong with the pilots? Will they last longer than the 208's?
Probably not. You're trading tire life for more grip.


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Just my 2 cents. The Metzeler M-1's go about 1800-2200 miles on my bikey.

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Been thru 2 sets of 208zr's... now running the Q's. Put about 80 mis. or so on 'em last w/e... there's maybe 3/8" chicken strip. ...felt very confident.
Any idea about longevity compared to the 208?

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Any idea about longevity compared to the 208?
Sorry, no I don't... got about 100mis total on 'em since putting on.
I'm guessing it'll be a little less.

Might wanna hit up CMulford... he had found a bunch of info on 'em. Also one of the magz did a tire test back in Dec./Jan.(???) the Qualifier, Pilots, & B'stone 014's were the top 3. My brother has the 014's on his 1000rr & LOVES 'em.

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Thanks for all your imputs. I read the link that Ridgerunner posted. It shed a little light. I think for the $$ the Pilots look like the one. Unless some one has a recommendation for super cheap tires somewhere.

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Thanks for all your imputs. I read the link that Ridgerunner posted. It shed a little light. I think for the $$ the Pilots look like the one. Unless some one has a recommendation for super cheap tires somewhere.
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Thanks for all your imputs. I read the link that Ridgerunner posted. It shed a little light. I think for the $$ the Pilots look like the one. Unless some one has a recommendation for super cheap tires somewhere.
I get race take-offs from a guy

$50 a pop for D208GP tires. They're the shiznit, man. Grip out the yin yang, but they don't care much for sliding.

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$50 a pop for D208GP tires. They're the shiznit, man. Grip out the yin yang, but they don't care much for sliding.
OR RAIN....OR HEAT CYCLES...OR CITY STREETS. Sorry man, I just don't recommend take-offs but I know a lot of people buy them. Race tires are designed to be heat cycled once or twice. Not 100 times like you get on the street.


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I have no idea what tomahawks means.
And the 208 gp. take offs. How can I get some of those?

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OR RAIN....OR HEAT CYCLES...OR CITY STREETS. Sorry man, I just don't recommend take-offs but I know a lot of people buy them. Race tires are designed to be heat cycled once or twice. Not 100 times like you get on the street.
OOooohh,
Nevermind on the gp's!
Can some give a good cheap website or something?

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I got my Q's from RonAyers.com

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Cheapest one I know is http://www.americanmototire.com. They usually have good prices.


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I only use a race slick on the unicycle.

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I've been running the Dulop Qualifier's since June. Saturday I did a 350+ mile ride up thru VT. & into the Adirondacks (NY). After just over 3k mis, noticed I'm at the wear bars. ...guess I need to start shopping. I'm not overly impressed w/ the Qualifier's. They do stick well, just that I didn't like the feel of them. I did stick w/ the stock sizing, maybe a different size would've gave a better feel. No complaint about them other than at 3k mis, they're already worn out.

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Ouch.. I just put some on in June too. Got about 3k on them. They are looking little worn. I think I am going to try the Pilot Powers or Metzelers.

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Just thought I'd throw this out there...
Any chance of a group buy on tires? We all need 'em, right?
If not, anyone recommend a good place to order? So far I looked at Ron Ayers & Tire Express.

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Just thought I'd throw this out there...
Any chance of a group buy on tires? We all need 'em, right?
If not, anyone recommend a good place to order? So far I looked at Ron Ayers & Tire Express.

If no one has the line on tires, I might be able to help with Dunlop for a sizable group buy. Lemme know... I of course don't need tires... Hummphh!

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Just thought I'd throw this out there...
Any chance of a group buy on tires? We all need 'em, right?
If not, anyone recommend a good place to order? So far I looked at Ron Ayers & Tire Express.

What you looking for? You tried gettin "it" on ebay? Shipping is the killer on tires cause of packaging.

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If I went w/ the Qualifiers again I'd do a 180/55 rear.
I was leaning towards the Mich. Pilots since I haven't tried 'em yet.

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If I went w/ the Qualifiers again I'd do a 180/55 rear.
I was leaning towards the Mich. Pilots since I haven't tried 'em yet.
I am traumatized on the Michellins because of the heat cycle problems they had - especially on street applications. I am a Pirelli man. However, the Qualifiers are good, and for extra flickability, you can go 190/60 now I believe... but you gotta watch out for heat inflation especially at the track.

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I'd be open to trying Pirelli's.
Yeah, the Q's didn't feel as flickable, hence why I was thinking a 180/55 rear, but a 190/60 might work well too. I have a set of Metz's Racetec's if I ever make it to the track.

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Happen to see this on ebay
Looks like a pretty good deal...

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Happen to see this on ebay
Looks like a pretty good deal...

Wow, that seem like a really good deal. I paid around $140 shipped for the just the rear recently.




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Happen to see this on ebay
Looks like a pretty good deal...


Thanks for the kind words about the tires, I dont want to say much because I am not sure about the advertising rules on this site...

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Hey H, I'm running the Q's right now also. I've put 2 track days and about 500 street miles on them and they look to be holding up really well. I didn't have much wear at all after the track days.

What pressures are you running? What tires did you have prior to the Q's?

The day after my 2nd track day. They were brand new before the first track day.


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Hey H, I'm running the Q's right now also. I've put 2 track days and about 500 street miles on them and they look to be holding up really well. I didn't have much wear at all after the track days.

What pressures are you running? What tires did you have prior to the Q's?

The day after my 2nd track day. They were brand new before the first track day.
I played around w/ psi's, think 34 frt & 32 rear is what I ended up at. Some reason I just didn't feel comfortable w/ 'em. I ran 2 sets 208zr's before the Q's & had no problem running 'em right to the edge.

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Hey H, I'm running the Q's right now also. I've put 2 track days and about 500 street miles on them and they look to be holding up really well. I didn't have much wear at all after the track days.

What pressures are you running? What tires did you have prior to the Q's?

The day after my 2nd track day. They were brand new before the first track day.
What pressure were you running on the tire in the pic?
Have you had your suspension set up properly as well?

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I played around w/ psi's, think 34 frt & 32 rear is what I ended up at. Some reason I just didn't feel comfortable w/ 'em. I ran 2 sets 208zr's before the Q's & had no problem running 'em right to the edge.

What are you running right now? Sizes I mean.....

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What are you running right now? Sizes I mean.....
stock sizes... 120/70 frt & 190/50 rear
I did put in a link in the rear suspension while running the Q's & felt better flickability wise.
My Racetec's are 120/17 & 190/55 that I used down at Deal's & really liked the feel & flickability.

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stock sizes... 120/70 frt & 190/50 rear
I did put in a link in the rear suspension while running the Q's & felt better flickability wise.
My Racetec's are 120/17 & 190/55 that I used down at Deal's & really liked the feel & flickability.

Okay... the 190/55 rear should feel better for flickability as you say. It gives you a taller sidewall, which translates to better side to side transitions.

LDH can chime in here - he can give the actually calculations, I am not smart enough to remember. That 55 is a percentage of the width of the tire.

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