FIRST 20 MILES ON THE HAGON SHOCK - Wrist Twisters
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FIRST 20 MILES ON THE HAGON SHOCK

Mounted it up last night and took a little spin..................

First off it is longer than stock. Makes for a little quicker turn in, but leans a little more on the side stand.

I immediately notice that it is stiffer, but is more smooth on the road. I thought my 07 rode pretty good, but all but the biggest road bumps are gone. It's weird, after a fews miles I found myself NOT thinking about the suspension. This was a nice surprise because I was happy with the ride on my OE shock. The reason I bought it was to help with the "float", "wallowing", & "bucking" when pushed in the corner.

I'm still have not pushed it in the corners. The worst thing about replacing the rear shock is that you notice your front needs attention. Even with .95 springs and 10W oil, I have already increased the preload 2 turns and I need to go more. I will continue to play with setting but I'm VERY happy with the shock so far..............

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Thanks for reporting back. I look forward to hearing more as you spend more time on it.

How much longer is the shock?

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I'm staying tuned on this one.
Price paid included.

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I'm staying tuned on this one.
Price paid included.
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Eyebolt to Eyebolt was it longer than the stock shock?
I'm surprised they did that ...

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Eyebolt to Eyebolt was it longer than the stock shock?
I'm surprised they did that ...
I didn't measure it but it is longer. Leans over more on the side stand and definitely turns in faster.

Hagon is pretty unique when they design a shock. They start with a "clean sheet of paper". Build a shock, ride it, change it, ride it, change it and on & on until everyone is happy. All testing is done on the road. It's made for the average rider in the "real world". In fact, they told me if I raced to buy something else.

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We need to make a thread with all the different shock upgrades. For everyone in the market to upgrade, like myself.

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I'd bet your eye to eye length is the same - it is running better hydraulics now and does not sag under the bikes weight so much etc thus the higher feel/sitting.

Feels 'tight' on the road like you grafted in a new frame eh?

I too thought the stock was 'OK' - until I changed it!

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I emailed Hagon about the shock length. They replied that their shock is 284mm. What is the stock shock length?

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Does the shock come with one size spring, or do they mount the proper spring according to your weight?

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I'd bet your eye to eye length is the same - it is running better hydraulics now and does not sag under the bikes weight so much etc thus the higher feel/sitting.

Feels 'tight' on the road like you grafted in a new frame eh?

I too thought the stock was 'OK' - until I changed it!

It's longer. I've had the stock shock off many times and all I needed was a 2X4 under the rear tire to mount the Hagon shock. With the OE shock I had to lift up on the 2X4 to get it to line up.


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Does the shock come with one size spring, or do they mount the proper spring according to your weight?

I talked to Dave for quite awhile about my riding & loads and he recommended the standard build. It would have been easy to "up" sell me but he didn't. After putting a few miles on I know he was right. If you are a really big guy or load her down, than Hagon will make you a custom shock.

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It's longer. I've had the stock shock off many times and all I needed was a 2X4 under the rear tire to mount the Hagon shock. With the OE shock I had to lift up on the 2X4 to get it to line up.





I talked to Dave for quite awhile about my riding & loads and he recommended the standard build. It would have been easy to "up" sell me but he didn't. After putting a few miles on I know he was right. If you are a really big guy or load her down, than Hagon will make you a custom shock.
I think you are on to something re this unit.

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I think you are on to something re this unit.
For the average user, I agree. However, the altered geometry as a result of the longer shock is concerning to me. Once we have the measurements of the stock shock to compare this will be put in better perspective.

I'm also curious about rider and free sag numbers, i.e. will free sag be in the ballpark when rider sag is dialed in for an "average" weight rider?

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For the average user, I agree. However, the altered geometry as a result of the longer shock is concerning to me. Once we have the measurements of the stock shock to compare this will be put in better perspective.

I'm also curious about rider and free sag numbers, i.e. will free sag be in the ballpark when rider sag is dialed in for an "average" weight rider?
My guess is that with front properly sprung, and the rear sag fine tuned, the above will be a non issue, correct rear springing assumed.
A 919 is a 98 mm trail bike out of the box, with laid back steering head angle.
A 5 mm differential is not going to be problematic, IF there even is a 5 mm differential once it's all said and done.
By differential, I mean the difference between the finalized front ride height and finalized rear ride height, as compared to stock.

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mcromo - do you happen to have your stock shock for eye to eye length measurement?

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Sounds like a more affordable option than Ohlins and addresses the worst feature of a 919's suspension.

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mcromo - do you happen to have your stock shock for eye to eye length measurement?
I thought I had it, went into my book of notes, and can not find it.
I must have misplaced that particular page I did when I did the initial Penske set-up. I even remember putting in dummy bolts, using the vernier, then correcting to get the eye centreline based distance. Damn !

Rickard still has his 02 shock seeing as my 05 is on his bike.
We could ask him to check.
I'll PM him right now.

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I emailed Hagon about the shock length. They replied that their shock is 284mm. What is the stock shock length?


My Ohlins is 283 mm eye to eye - same as the stock unit. Consider your Hagon same as stock.

Interesting what differences a decent unit makes is it not!

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Paul - as the WT beta tester you are going to get lots of questions! I hope you don't mind.

What is your weight with gear?

Did you have your rider sag set on your old shock? If so, what was it at? If not, what notch did you have the preload set at?

Have you checked the sag with the Hagon?

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My Ohlins is 283 mm eye to eye - same as the stock unit. Consider your Hagon same as stock.

Interesting what differences a decent unit makes is it not!

I guess so.......................or I'm

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Paul - as the WT beta tester you are going to get lots of questions! I hope you don't mind.

What is your weight with gear?

Did you have your rider sag set on your old shock? If so, what was it at? If not, what notch did you have the preload set at?

Have you checked the sag with the Hagon?
I don't mind at all..............

I'm about 225 with gear.

I did not set the sag on the OE shock, but my preload was 3rd from hardest.

Still working on setting sag on the Hagon. What's the easy/best way to check sag without an extra person?

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I guess so.......................or I'm

Still working on setting sag on the Hagon. What's the easy/best way to check sag without an extra person?
Near Impossible!

About the simplest way to do it is this: I tied chord to the read grab handle and chose a point near the rear axle as the measure point. I pulled up on the rear end to top out the shock, pinched the chord between my thumb and finger at the measure point and measured. Keep it topped out when you do this measure. This is your baseline.

Then I had my wife come out and pinch the chord while I sat on the bike with gear, weight off the ground (the hard part), in riding position. Then I would do the measure. Repeat 3 times and take the average and subtract it from your baseline. That is your rider sag.

After you set you rider sag to spec, you should check the free sag. Using the same method above, get a measure for how much the bike sags on it's own weight. This one requires some compressions of the rear to see where it comes up too. Also lift the rear end and see where it sags back to when you let go. Subtract this average measurement from your baseline to get free sag.

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Where you using swingarm stands? If so, perhaps the bike slid back a bit...

I confirmed with Hagon today that their measurement of 284 is eye-to-eye.

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How does the Hagon differ from, say the Progressive 420 shock ?

i.e., they're both inexpensive rear shocks that (could) should perform better than stock... neither have a remove reservoir.

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How does the Hagon differ from, say the Progressive 420 shock ?

i.e., they're both inexpensive rear shocks that (could) should perform better than stock... neither have a remove reservoir.
I did a lot of research and never even looked at a Progressive shock. Was told many years ago by many different people to stick to straight rate springs.
If I remember right, by the time you're in the usable/correct spring rate your travel is almost used up.

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Where you using swingarm stands? If so, perhaps the bike slid back a bit...

I confirmed with Hagon today that their measurement of 284 is eye-to-eye.
Rickard is checking a stocker for us that he thinks is hidden away in a box of his.
I also found some scratch notes of mine going back to my original fitting of my Penske. "same eye to eye as stock" and "Ohlins info refers to 283 mm eye to eye".
For some strange reason, I have recollection of my stocker measuring with the last digit being a 1, which would mean a 281. Let's see what Rickard comes back with.

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Rickard is checking a stocker for us that he thinks is hidden away in a box of his.
I also found some scratch notes of mine going back to my original fitting of my Penske. "same eye to eye as stock" and "Ohlins info refers to 283 mm eye to eye".
For some strange reason, I have recollection of my stocker measuring with the last digit being a 1, which would mean a 281. Let's see what Rickard comes back with.
For me to check the eye to eye I have to take it out of my other bike. Paulibiker, did you modify the shock I sent to you or can you measure that one?

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$410 to my door.
You surely still have a stock shock kicking around.
What is the eye to eye measurement of it ?

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For me to check the eye to eye I have to take it out of my other bike.
Too much work to justify, my friend.

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You surely still have a stock shock kicking around.
What is the eye to eye measurement of it ?

Sure do, but I'm on vacation so it's going to have to wait.

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I guess your more anxiously anticipated, in-depth ride review will have to wait as well. Have fun!

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Sure do, but I'm on vacation so it's going to have to wait.
Golly gee whiz, you mean to say that you are on vacation and that checking out this crucial bit of info is not # 1 on your vacation list ?

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I'm feeling like an incapable adult male.
I'm not sure how to correctly measure it.
I ended up using a pen to mark dots on a piece of paper.

This is an '05, and it looks to be ~ 284 to my wooden stick and pen measure.

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My Ohlins is 283 mm eye to eye - same as the stock unit.
As in I measured it when I was changing them over because I check shit like that when changing parts. I just like to make sure these things are right before fitting!

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Done any more miles on that shock yet?

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Done any more miles on that shock yet?
See above. Apparently Paul feels that his vacation is more important than his WT beta-tester responsibilities...

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While our tester is on vacation, I would like to discuss this shock and the lack of a remote reservoir.

AllanB has already demonstrated with his no-reservoir Ohlins that for typical street riding there does not appear to be noticeable performance impact.

On the other hand, we have other members stating that a reservoir is a must if the owner is doing hard, spirited rides or track days.

Also, Penske has said that they will not do a reservoir-less shock for the 919 (recently stated again in correspondence with a WT member). They state that it will not work well. Is it due to their shock design or high performance standards for their products?

I would like to hear opinions on the impact no-reservoir would have on performance for a 919 rider who wants relatively fade-free performance on long or spirited rides and who may do track days.

Lastly, is the heat generated by the y-pipes near the shock a factor in need of a reservoir?

I would love to get one of these Hagon's and beat it up for a while and then later get a Penske or Ohlins for a good three way comparison. If 20 members contribute $10 each to help cover my loss on the Hagon when I sell it, then I will do it, lol.

This shock has a lot of promise as an inexpensive solution for the majority of 919 riders. Exciting stuff!

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