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post #1 of 35 Old 09-29-2012, 12:54 PM Thread Starter
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Crash bars... Givi vs SW Motech

Been debating between sliders or crash bars for a while now, and I think I am going to go the crash bar route. The only two makers I have found are Givi and SW Motech. I am leaning towards the Givi's, since they seem a little less conspicuous. But I notice that they both use the engine mount tab, that has broken when used as a mounting point with sliders. As you can see in the picture, the Givi uses a triangular plate that attaches to both the frame, and the engine tab.

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Anyone had either of these bars in a laydown situation???

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I would think the givi would be safer for the engine mounts. That triangle would force the load to be shared over the frame and the engine. The frame would have to bend before engine tabs have to take the force. However, the stator and clutch covers are better protected with the sw-motech.
The engine itself being more costly that the 2 side covers.... Givi has my vote. Looks are secondary.....givi too.
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Givi has my vote hands down. I crash tested them sadly. Right side made a broadside full on impact with an f150 and only showed minimal scratches. Left side made contact with the ground with force at speed, was dragged a few feet by the f150 as well. They held up and there were no marks on the engine, clutch cover, etc. Other areas of impact to be expected are the handle bar ends, widest portion of gas tank (nature of the design sadly), and tail cowl.

That said, I sold the totaled 919 along with crash bars to another member in another state on here who ironically sold the crash bars to a member that is close to me. Last I heard, he had the ground down portion weld filled and is rocking them to this day.

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The givi bars have been discontinued as of last year. I was lucky and got one of the last two sets over at twistedthrottle. So if you want the givis, order them soon.

I haven't crash tested the givi bars on my 919 but I like them so far. They'll do a better job of protecting the engine compared to motovation sliders. The only downside is that these bars vibrate quite a bit and I hear a loud metallic buzzing at about 5500 RPM. There's a metal joint that connects right behind the header pipes where the vibration is coming from. Putting silicone in there helps, but it's not enough to stop the noise completely.

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There's a metal joint that connects right behind the header pipes where the vibration is coming from. Putting silicone in there helps, but it's not enough to stop the noise completely.
That's the one annoyance I forgot to mention, thanks for mentioning it Sckill. I've tried tightening the bars to fix that issue, with zero luck. Is the only solution is to silicone it in place or something? While I can't hear it (my wife can and it drives her crazy), I can feel the vibrations and it's annoying as hell. I want it to stop.

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Agreed on the annoying part. I have actually adjusted my riding to either stay above or below 5000-5500 RPM so I don't get the buzzing. I've been considering taking the bars off and reapplying more silicone to get the buzzing to stop. The buzzing used to be at 6K RPM, but it dropped down so I don't know if that means something loosened or if the silicone came off.

Did some research just now and you could also try putting some spacers on the bolt that secures the front joint. Seems to have worked for people on the 599 forum.

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The Givis are now discontinued, and if you have problems with the welds on them, as some here have had, Givi can't help you fix them or give you a replacement set.

I did crash test mine and they did hold up just fine, but I am considering stripping them off and going with the SW Motechs or maybe some of the Euro-market sets from over there.

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RadicalWilly, if you want a set of the Givi's, there is a seller on ebay who still has some. If you have a hard time finding him, let me know...they were good to work with.

Ive also crash-tested the Givi bars. yes they attach to the front motor mount, but they will not put any sort of torque on them, which is what causes the sliders to break the mounts off. They work really well and provide a lot of protection...well worth the money!



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I have a pair of the Givi Bars for sale if you'd like to try them out for cheaper. My bike laid down last year and slid with these on, and they totally protected my bike, was able to ride it home. The ones I have for sale I'd sell for cheap because they are scuffed from the slide on one side, but they are not bent, and could easily be weld filled and look perfect afterwards.... Lemme know if ya wanna give them a try....





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RadicalWilly, if you want a set of the Givi's, there is a seller on ebay who still has some. If you have a hard time finding him, let me know...they were good to work with.

Ive also crash-tested the Givi bars. yes they attach to the front motor mount, but they will not put any sort of torque on them, which is what causes the sliders to break the mounts off. They work really well and provide a lot of protection...well worth the money!



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What price was this guy selling them for? I may be interested too.

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Thanks all for the great comments, wealth of info here. Competition accessories has the Givi's for $145 shipped... just ordered a pair. Are we sure they are no longer being made, Givi still shows them on there home page... Cases, Side Hardbags, Soft Luggages, Screens, Spoilers HONDA CB 919

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I was told they were being discontinued by Givi earlier this year.

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So, no one votes for the SW-Motech? They look to me to provide more coverage than the Givis. No?

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So, no one votes for the SW-Motech? They look to me to provide more coverage than the Givis. No?
They make quality stuff. My brother has them on the Fz8. My buddy has them on his Vstrom. I also have the sport rack for the 9er. Very stout. Most people like the Motovation frame sliders for the 9er. They mount through the frame. Not the engine.

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Less vibes with sliders also.

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FRAME SLIDERS: NO! i would strongly suggest the engine guard. i once had frame sliders on my bike when i went down and it did nothing to protect my bike. the frame slider side that i went down on had completely been shaved off by the concrete and my stater cover had a crack in it. ENGINE GUARD GIVI : after i got my bike fixed from the first accident i went ahead and bout the GIVI engine guard, well a moth after my first accident i got into another one but i had the GIVI on and that saved my bike but a year later i found a crack in one of the welds and that is when i got the SW-MOTECH ENGINE GUARD and never had a problem since and i even bought another that i am willing to sell you for $100

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FRAME SLIDERS: NO! i would strongly suggest the engine guard. i once had frame sliders on my bike when i went down and it did nothing to protect my bike. the frame slider side that i went down on had completely been shaved off by the concrete and my stater cover had a crack in it. ENGINE GUARD GIVI : after i got my bike fixed from the first accident i went ahead and bout the GIVI engine guard, well a moth after my first accident i got into another one but i had the GIVI on and that saved my bike but a year later i found a crack in one of the welds and that is when i got the SW-MOTECH ENGINE GUARD and never had a problem since and i even bought another that i am willing to sell you for $100
So you had Motovation sliders?

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So you had Motovation sliders?
ya that was what i had, and when i put them on i thought my bike would be invincible. shortly did i realize on my fist accident on my honda 919 the Motovation sliders did not hold up as expected; is was as if they had just melted right off the bike; from that moment on i became an engine guard fan

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ya that was what i had, and when i put them on i thought my bike would be invincible. shortly did i realize on my fist accident on my honda 919 the Motovation sliders did not hold up as expected; is was as if they had just melted right off the bike; from that moment on i became an engine guard fan
So what you are saying is the engine sliders did exactly what they were supposed to do, slide, wear away, and in essence destroy themselves to save further damage to your bike, and you're complaining?

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So what you are saying is the engine sliders did exactly what they were supposed to do, slide, wear away, and in essence destroy themselves to save further damage to your bike, and you're complaining?
dude i have seen your youtube videos lol and we have talked about the same thing what a weird coincidence

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Too bad 905 doesn't make street crash bars for the 919 they would look and work good

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Has anyone recently installed the SWMotech centre stand?

My @$$ is getting thoroughly kicked by the pair of springs...


Here is where I am with the bloody things.

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Has anyone recently installed the SWMotech centre stand? My @$$ is getting thoroughly kicked by the pair of springs... Here is where I am with the bloody things. Edit : Oops, wasn't paying attention. I thought this was the stand thread. I'm sure I'll tant about the crash bars when I get to them...
I tied a rope around both of them, and tied it around my waist. Put the bike in gear, and walked/crawled backwards while my girlfriend made sure the bike didn't tip over. When I had it pulled far enough she slipped it on... Others have done similar things but tied the rope to a truck or car.

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Bend the springs back & forth and install coins or washers between the coils, put it on and remove the coins/washers.

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The coins is easiest, but you can also sit behind the rear tire, hook a rope to the spring, then use the tire as leverage (like a pulley) to pull back on the spring, as well as help to hold the tension in place while you hook the end of the spring.

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The coins is easiest, but you can also sit behind the rear tire, hook a rope to the spring, then use the tire as leverage (like a pulley) to pull back on the spring, as well as help to hold the tension in place while you hook the end of the spring.

I'd managed to get the big spring extended and in place using a combination of coins (washers in my case) and a lever.

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Swmotech springs must be tougher than the Honda center stand springs. I was able to connect mine with pliers.

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So, no one votes for the SW-Motech? They look to me to provide more coverage than the Givis. No?
I know this is an older thread, but I had to pitch in my 2 cents. I had the SW Motech bars on my old 919 when I laid it down going 45MPH or so and they totally saved the bike. Not a scratch on the engine or frame. I was very glad to have had them. I would definitely buy again.

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Quick update on my old comment... I ended up buying another '07 919 and bought the same SW-Motech crash bars for it. Very easy install, great protection, would definitely recommend to anybody.

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I just put a set of givi crash bars on my '03 919. Very easy to put on also. Hopefully I never find out how well they protect the bike.
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I've got a set of Heed crash bars on mine. They look identical to the Givi, a copy perhaps. I'm pretty happy with them. Haven't "tried" them out yet, hope I never have too.
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