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post #1 of 66 Old 11-17-2013, 10:14 AM Thread Starter
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Check out my steering damper!

Looks sweet bro! Check out this monstrosity. Wonder if they've ever sold one?

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I guarantee somebody somewhere bought one just because they wanted to spend money instead of save it...

The 919 is the last bike on the planet that actually needs a steering damper, but anybody that is ignorant enough to think they need one will never be talked out of buying one. They usually like to give the reason that they are special and their riding style dictates the need or they have butchered the geometry of the bike so bad that it now has handling problems...

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I guarantee somebody somewhere bought one just because they wanted to spend money instead of save it...

The 919 is the last bike on the planet that actually needs a steering damper, but anybody that is ignorant enough to think they need one will never be talked out of buying one. They usually like to give the reason that they are special and their riding style dictates the need or they have butchered the geometry of the bike so bad that it now has handling problems...
yeah... i dont think i have EVER had the 919 come anywhere close to being in a situation where a steering dampener would be beneficial.

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Hell I've had it with both wheels in the air over a jump at 45mph and landed more crossed up wheelies than I can count and it never even shimmies... The front instantly corrects itself as soon as it sets down. Ya just gotta be light on the bars and let it do its own thing.

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Holy crap...

"How did you get a hole in your shin?" "Well, I put this thing on my bike and turned left..."

Did they take that thing off a hatchback??

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Holy crap..

Did they take that thing off a hatchback??
I was thinking the same thing.

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I have a Onlins damper (OEM zx10r) installed on my 919.

I like it ... but if I hadn't picked it up for free I doubt I would have one or even be looking for one for the 919.

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I have a Onlins damper (OEM zx10r) installed on my 919.

You know those OEM Dampers they put on the Kawi's don't actually work right? They do not have enough built in resistance of be of any real use. We have to change the needle and seat for them to work like a proper aftermarket damper.


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Hell I've had it with both wheels in the air over a jump at 45mph and landed more crossed up wheelies than I can count and it never even shimmies... The front instantly corrects itself as soon as it sets down. Ya just gotta be light on the bars and let it do its own thing.
yeah i have landed my fair share of crossed up wheelies and the 919 just goes.... ok what next.

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So, what is it about the 919 that makes it so stable? The stock suspension obviously doesn't do anything to help and the bike also doesn't seem to mind having the front lowered as well, so even with more aggressive geometry it's still stable as hell. How come?

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Lazy geometry numbers combined with wide handlebars that give the rider a lot more leverage to steer the bike means you don't need to have the typical sharp steering, twitchy geometry that so many sportbikes require. The 919 changes direction with ease and very little effort. It could easily be argued the flexy chassis contributes to that as well. The bike just kind bends itself into the turns.

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You know those OEM Dampers they put on the Kawi's don't actually work right? They do not have enough built in resistance of be of any real use. We have to change the needle and seat for them to work like a proper aftermarket damper.
Yes i know its setup differently. I was going to send it down your way sometime for the rework. Like I said ... It was free.

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Lazy geometry numbers combined with wide handlebars that give the rider a lot more leverage to steer the bike means you don't need to have the typical sharp steering, twitchy geometry that so many sportbikes require. The 919 changes direction with ease and very little effort. It could easily be argued the flexy chassis contributes to that as well. The bike just kind bends itself into the turns.

This is fascinating to me because I've never ridden anything so friendly and sure-footed before, and I've owned a bunch. I'm also guessing the bike being built from the ground up for the street also helps?

Pretty much any bike as quick as the 919 on the street, is going to have the potential to do some serious lap times in the right hands and therefore a big strong swingarm, and wrap around aluminum frame with a peaky engine and much less friendly controls. Makes the 919 a serious one-of-a-kind bike if you ask me.

I rode a Ninja 1000, then Tiger 1050 and VFR1200 and while all great bikes, not even close to as user-friendly. Said "No thanks to all 3" and started looking for a 2nd 919 to tour on.

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i wouldnt say ground up....

engine from the 900rr that has been fuel injected and detuned for the street.

run of the mill suspension

brakes from different bikes

but for what ever reason the blending of all the parts produces a very forgiving neutral bike... what i like to call a jack of all trades, master of none.

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I wouldn't consider it detuned, but retuned. The 900RR only made about 16-20hp more and the carbs helped make that rediculous hole in the powerband at 5K that much worse. Also, longish stroke engine never really helped it stand out againt the other bikes of it's time.

Only when they re-tuned it for the 919 did the engine really shine if you ask me. With the right mods the 919 can be the master of many, on the street.

The bike may be put together with bargain-bin parts but with good suspension upgrades, the 919 specific chassis is a true gem of the past decade for street riding as far as I can see.

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I agree with your thoughts and the sentiment behind them. Just be sure you NEVER EVER EVER test ride a CB1000R...

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The bike may be put together with bargain-bin parts but with good suspension upgrades, the 919 specific chassis is a true gem of the past decade for street riding as far as I can see.
It's a year 2000 time frame UJM, plain and simple.
A full suspension upgrade is transformational.
True the bike gets quicker at the front end by dropping the front, but I found lifting the whole bike up sped it up re chassis roll rate and turn in. and kept all the front end trail feel, as well as increasing the lean angle before starting to grind.

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I agree with your thoughts and the sentiment behind them. Just be sure you NEVER EVER EVER test ride a CB1000R...
this is another big key to my loving of the 919.... IGNORANCE IS BLISS

i dont dare ride a fancy new naked bike.

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I rode an '08 Z1000, very sick bike but it's not for me.

If the Cb1000 is anything like the Z1000, and I suspect it is ( I also rode a Ninja 1000) I'm perfectly happy with my 919 and will remain so for a very long time The newer bikes are not headed in a direction that interests me. Ignorance is bliss, but so is having your bike paid for.

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The factory damper on my SV-S mostly provided just a fake sense of confidence I don't think it made too big of a difference. Even on the tank slappers when the front wheel stopped a spinnin in the air

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It took one instance of pureed testicle for me to throw a damper on my 929RR.

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run of the mill suspension

brakes from different bikes
Never fathomed why Honda didn't just take the brakes & suspension from the F4i & drop it into the 919. Would have saved them money & us plenty of headache in trying to do a fork/shock swap.

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It would have cost them an extra $___ per bike which they couldn't justify the costs in doing. They also would have to re-do the damping and change the spring rate (too soft of course) They do thing their way and when it comes to suspension, it the hard way.

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Never fathomed why Honda didn't just take the brakes & suspension from the F4i & drop it into the 919. Would have saved them money & us plenty of headache in trying to do a fork/shock swap.
Not sure how the f4/i forks is a headache? The f4/i forks drop right into the 919 triples and the brakes bolt right up with zero issues. You'll have to change the springs but most people have to anyways with the 919 forks.

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Not sure how the f4/i forks is a headache? The f4/i forks drop right into the 919 triples and the brakes bolt right up with zero issues. You'll have to change the springs but most people have to anyways with the 919 forks.
You forget the process of procurement of said forks which is what is a headache. Very rare to find a decent unbent, not rusted & not scathed set of forks. Not saying its impossible but majority of the forks available are not worth considering.

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Getting your 919 forks rebuilt would yield far better results even w/o adjustability, but if set up by someone that knows what they are doing, you really shouldn't need it.

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On second look, the damper looks like some kind of small caliber mortar launching device.

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There's really nothing special about stock F4i forks.

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I rode an '08 Z1000, very sick bike but it's not for me.

If the Cb1000 is anything like the Z1000, and I suspect it is ( I also rode a Ninja 1000) I'm perfectly happy with my 919 and will remain so for a very long time The newer bikes are not headed in a direction that interests me. Ignorance is bliss, but so is having your bike paid for.
exactly.... my 919 is now just over 4 years old to me, was paid off at the beginning and so far has cost me 1050 a year (bought it for 4200 bucks) ... insurance being liability only for 95 a year...

If i bought an new bike it would not only be way more expensive... but insurance would be more because of new and the need for comprehensive, and also i wouldnt nearly have as much fun as i would be afraid to hurt it...

The 919... i have no problem taking off road.

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Getting your 919 forks rebuilt would yield far better results even w/o adjustability, but if set up by someone that knows what they are doing, you really shouldn't need it.
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There's really nothing special about stock F4i forks.
Sorry man, just simply not true, on all 3 accounts. Especially if you have an 02/03 front end. I'll just let Mcromo chime in on this one. PAGING MCROMO!

arshishb, not sure why you're having a difficult time finding f4/i forks? Wasn't a headache for me. In fact, looking on ebay just a few minutes ago under "f4" yielded at least 5 pairs of forks either needing minor work (seal replacement) or were bolt on ready.

If by headache you meant pricewise, then yes that can be an issue sometimes. Mostly because us 919 owners are cheapasses No this doesn't count ndspd since he doesn't spend ANY money on his poor 919

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Sorry man, just simply not true, on all 3 accounts. Especially if you have an 02/03 front end. I'll just let Mcromo chime in on this one. PAGING MCROMO!

arshishb, not sure why you're having a difficult time finding f4/i forks? Wasn't a headache for me. In fact, looking on ebay just a few minutes ago under "f4" yielded at least 5 pairs of forks either needing minor work (seal replacement) or were bolt on ready.

If by headache you meant pricewise, then yes that can be an issue sometimes. Mostly because us 919 owners are cheapasses No this doesn't count ndspd since he doesn't spend ANY money on his poor 919
So you're saying a stock F4i for vs a 919 fork worked over by Traxxion would be about the same?

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So you're saying a stock F4i for vs a 919 fork worked over by Traxxion would be about the same?
You're comparing apples and oranges here. merely changing the spring rate doesn't address the main issues/difference between f4/i and 919 forks. Compared to stock (with proper springs for both), the f4/i will set up better/easier than the 919 due to having an additional adjustment that the 919 forks will never have. With the 919, you'd be compensating for the lack there of as opposed to setting up properly.

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arshishb, not sure why you're having a difficult time finding f4/i forks? Wasn't a headache for me. In fact, looking on ebay just a few minutes ago under "f4" yielded at least 5 pairs of forks either needing minor work (seal replacement) or were bolt on ready.

If by headache you meant pricewise, then yes that can be an issue sometimes. Mostly because us 919 owners are cheapasses No this doesn't count ndspd since he doesn't spend ANY money on his poor 919
Problem is that pictures on Ebay or CL don't convey much of the story. The forks I got were completely straight & didn't leak at all but had tiny rust "dots" & a fairly small but deep gash which was rusted. The new seals have held up OK so far but I don't think they will last much under track level braking when I will actually manage to compress the forks all the way. This just MY bad luck, as they say YMMV Now i need to source inner tubes so its half a headache

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You're comparing apples and oranges here. merely changing the spring rate doesn't address the main issues/difference between f4/i and 919 forks. Compared to stock (with proper springs for both), the f4/i will set up better/easier than the 919 due to having an additional adjustment that the 919 forks will never have. With the 919, you'd be compensating for the lack there of as opposed to setting up properly.
I completely agree with PV here. Just stock settings on a refreshed set of F4/F4i forks with Racetech springs made a big difference in just my regular commute. Turn in became a lot more intuitive with a linear rate of the bike "falling in" if you know what I mean? So comparatively speaking, for not much money you get 3 way adjustable forks which are pretty decent. Of course if you are a very fast guy, you wouldn't be trying to get competitive on a 919 anyway

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I never said the F4i forks weren't an improvement. I said getting your 919 forks rebuilt would yield better results, but yes that would cost a lot more.

I also stand by my statement that stock F4i forks are nothing special. Better, but still stock, budget-minded suspension.

As for the adjustability comment, well-rebuilt 919 forks will ride better than stock F4i forks no matter what the difference is adjustability.

All of this is assuming the right springs of either the 919/F4i forks are matched to the rider.

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OK, well let's do a trackday at Buttonwillow. I'll ride my F4i with bone stock forks & one of you bring your 919 and we'll see which forks work better


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I also stand by my statement that stock F4i forks are nothing special. Better, but still stock, budget-minded suspension.
Well shit, if the f4/i forks are just budget-minded suspension, then what does that make the 919 forks considering they are subpar to the f4/i?

This isn't just about adjustability, this is also about damping curves, ride height, etc etc. a polished turd is, at the end of the day, still just a turd. But keep telling yourself whatever you need so you can sleep at night with your polished turds.

It again appears you don't know what you're talking about. I suggest you take up on LDH's offer down below.

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Some people change things just to be different and some will proclaim it is better regardless of whether it actually is or not simply because they want to convince themselves of it for the confidence factor or because they lack the ability to actually discern the differences.

Years ago after hearing people profess how an old OEM CBR600 shock was so awesome on the 919 I tried it. It flat out sucked, but that rumor is still perpetuated even now. Different is not always better...

There are certain things you can do to the 919 like putting shorter forks on it or lowering the front end etc that affect the handling and for certain types of riders this may be a beneficial mod. I personally utilize a lot of trailbraking in my riding style and found the stock geometry pretty much perfect for riding solo and when riding with a passenger I found a smaller profile 120/60 tire was an asset to the handling. Keep in mind I am solely regarding the geometry of the bike not the damping or spring rates. For my preference lowering the front end is simply not required for the 919 which has a very neutral steering effort right out of the box and excessive lowering of the front causes additional problems with an already worrisome ground clearance plus hinders trailbraking efforts making the bike fight you into the turns.

Ultimately different riders want different feel & feedback out of their front end. The 919 provides very little of both. Even with a proper Ohlins revalve on the OEM forks the front end is still vague, but the comfort is increased. Either way the 919 hugs a curve like a goat on a mountain. You may not be able to feel what is happening, but it will do its job.

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