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The new 9'er?

Somebody has put an image of this up somewhere already, but I missed the fact that it came from Honda.

So, proper double seat, USD forks, SSA, low pipe, re-tuned donor engine, good-looking wheels - is this the 9'er, redone? Mods not required?

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Somebody has put an image of this up somewhere already, but I missed the fact that it came from Honda.

So, proper double seat, USD forks, SSA, low pipe, re-tuned donor engine, good-looking wheels - is this the 9'er, redone? Mods not required?

https://www.honda.co.jp/news/2020/2200327a.html

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March 27, 2020 World premiere of concept model "CB-F concept" on homepage

Honda has unveiled the concept model "CB-F Concept", which was scheduled to be exhibited at the 36th Osaka Motorcycle Show 2020 and the 47th Tokyo Motorcycle Show, on the website for the first time.


CB-F concept


The CB-F concept, taking advantage of the milestone of the CB's 60th anniversary last year, took a second look back at the history of the CB series, thoroughly discussing the "protection and transformation" of Honda's leading sports bike, CB. This is one of the proposals I have derived.
As a global model from Japan that contributed to the solidification of CB in its 60-year history and played an active part in race scenes such as North America, with respect for the "CB750F" (export model: CB900F) that marked a era, It is a challenging model finished with the latest technology while following the design motif.
The engine is equipped with a water-cooled, 4-stroke, DOHC, 4-valve, in-line 4-cylinder 998cc engine that has a smooth start-up and powerful torque. The frame uses a lightweight, high-tensile steel mono backbone. The undercarriage features an inverted fork at the front that provides excellent road comfort from the city to winding, providing a high-quality ride, and a lightweight aluminum cantilever swingarm proarm at the rear.
In addition to the CB-F concept, the Honda booth and 29 motorcycles in various categories, which were scheduled to be deployed at the 36th Osaka Motorcycle Show 2020 and the 47th Tokyo Motorcycle Show, The Honda Virtual Motorcycle Show will be released on the Honda website on March 27 (Fri).


Overview of CB-F concept


・ Length × Width × Height (mm)


2,120 × 790 × 1,070


・ Engine type


Water-cooled, 4-stroke, DOHC, 4-valve, in-line 4-cylinder


・ Total displacement (cm 3 )


998


·transmission


6 speed


CB-F concept

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My thoughts - yeah, it does still have the classic Honda long wheelbase and it seems to incorporate elements of the 919, but the styling is more classic 80s. There's a lot of elements of the DOHC CB-***F models' styling there, particularly in the slab-sided almost-letterbox tank, the 'ducktail' rear with non-wraparound taillight and the dual forward mounted horns. I wonder how good the headlight will be on it.


Also, note the very large resonator/catalytic converter on it, and it looks like they tried to cut costs by removing side covers in favor of extending the rear cowl/fairing forward. I would strongly advise anyone buying one of these (should it make production like this) to get a spare cowl or two. The engine is up surprisingly high for a Honda, too - wonder if there's more than usual down in that deep sump.

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I just can't see the tank, I think the shape of the tank ruins the lines of the bike. It needs a more aggressive stance. Didn't check the numbers on the performance/weight or other things, but it just doesn't have the aggressive stance.

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I just can't see the tank, I think the shape of the tank ruins the lines of the bike. It needs a more aggressive stance. Didn't check the numbers on the performance/weight or other things, but it just doesn't have the aggressive stance.

I disagree. It looks just fine to me, the bodywork's lines are very much adapted from that of the CB900F (and other -Fs) of old:





The tank style is the same as used on so many 80s -Fs, including the 250s and 450s. The tail is a combination of the -F style above and the -S style of the Nighthawk line:


Also, remember that the "cobra hood" design of our tanks is why they get beat to crap in every drop and it's very common to find a 919 with a dented or scratched tank. This was less of a problem for the 80s-F-style tanks.



I'm just not seeing where you get "not aggressive enough" out of it. Even if I did, remember that the "very aggressive standard" slot is now taken up by the -R line, like the CB1000R, CB500R, etc. With correspondingly high insurance pricing; the -R suffix was a mistake.

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Yep, me too - much more of a do-it-all proposition than the CB1000R Neo bike.

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I disagree. It looks just fine to me, the bodywork's lines are very much adapted from that of the CB900F (and other -Fs) of old:





The tank style is the same as used on so many 80s -Fs, including the 250s and 450s. The tail is a combination of the -F style above and the -S style of the Nighthawk line:


Also, remember that the "cobra hood" design of our tanks is why they get beat to crap in every drop and it's very common to find a 919 with a dented or scratched tank. This was less of a problem for the 80s-F-style tanks.



I'm just not seeing where you get "not aggressive enough" out of it. Even if I did, remember that the "very aggressive standard" slot is now taken up by the -R line, like the CB1000R, CB500R, etc. With correspondingly high insurance pricing; the -R suffix was a mistake.
A bike doesn't have to have a -R suffix in order to look aggressive. The 919 has an amazing look in stock form, it doesn't have a -R, and it doesn't need one.

Right or wrong, IMO, looks matter. You can stand that bike next to a super clean 919 and an 80's -F and I'd take the 919 all day. It's not a judgement of suspension or price, it's a judgement of looks.

This reminds me of the 70's and 80's economy cars. Most economy cars looked like crap, they didn't have to. You can have great styling in any category (muscle, sport, economy...).

Take a MINT 919 and set it next to one of these, side by side... IMO, the 919 is one of the best looking bike around.

As far as the tank goes, yea, I got scars on both sides. I need some sliders / guards, but I wouldn't change out style over that.

It's not that vintage is bad, most of my cars are from the 60's and 70's, retro doesn't mean the lines don't flow.

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March 27, 2020 World premiere of concept model "CB-F concept" on homepage

Honda has unveiled the concept model "CB-F Concept", which was scheduled to be exhibited at the 36th Osaka Motorcycle Show 2020 and the 47th Tokyo Motorcycle Show, on the website for the first time.


CB-F concept


The CB-F concept, taking advantage of the milestone of the CB's 60th anniversary last year, took a second look back at the history of the CB series, thoroughly discussing the "protection and transformation" of Honda's leading sports bike, CB. This is one of the proposals I have derived.
As a global model from Japan that contributed to the solidification of CB in its 60-year history and played an active part in race scenes such as North America, with respect for the "CB750F" (export model: CB900F) that marked a era, It is a challenging model finished with the latest technology while following the design motif.
The engine is equipped with a water-cooled, 4-stroke, DOHC, 4-valve, in-line 4-cylinder 998cc engine that has a smooth start-up and powerful torque. The frame uses a lightweight, high-tensile steel mono backbone. The undercarriage features an inverted fork at the front that provides excellent road comfort from the city to winding, providing a high-quality ride, and a lightweight aluminum cantilever swingarm proarm at the rear.
In addition to the CB-F concept, the Honda booth and 29 motorcycles in various categories, which were scheduled to be deployed at the 36th Osaka Motorcycle Show 2020 and the 47th Tokyo Motorcycle Show, The Honda Virtual Motorcycle Show will be released on the Honda website on March 27 (Fri).


Overview of CB-F concept


・ Length × Width × Height (mm)


2,120 × 790 × 1,070


・ Engine type


Water-cooled, 4-stroke, DOHC, 4-valve, in-line 4-cylinder


・ Total displacement (cm 3 )


998


·transmission


6 speed


CB-F concept


THAT plays homage to an era in oh so nice a way.
It makes me salivate.
I'd buy that, as long as it doesn't weigh near the zone of 500# or more.
Of course, the proddie' version would have turn signals and stuff hanging off of it, but that's an unshirkable requirement in today's world.

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I read that this new concept bike (the CB-F) is based on the cb1000r the neo-sports thing but different styling.

Which is kind of a bummer in my mind because although I like the 1000r looks, when I sit on it, it feels super tiny. I just like having the fat tank of the 919 between my legs.

In terms of looks, I think the only shortcoming of the 919 is the swingarm with those crude welding seams.

That single side swingarm makes such a clean look.

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I read that this new concept bike (the CB-F) is based on the cb1000r the neo-sports thing but different styling.
So, maybe it's like a kit bike? The underpinnings are all the same but you can have it dressed as a CB-F or a Neo Sports? That'd be cool - the bean counters would love getting two models at no extra R&D cost...

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I had an '81 900F just like that one. I rejetted the carbs. The stock Honda Coils were weak; replaced them with Accel. Kerker pipe, and a K+N filter. Laid a lot of Kawie 1000s to waste with that thing. I put over 50,000 miles on that bike.

I had a poster of Freddie Spencer on a 900F in my garage for years.

If Honda ever musters up the courage to build that bike, I'll quit bashing Honda. And I'll buy one. Kawasaki has been very successful with their Z900. Suzie has the Kan O Tuna. Why not, Honda!

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I say they'll do it just like with the cb1000r neo sports. Its just an easy change to the bike for them but it appeals to the kids from the 80's like us.

And hey I had a 82 z1000 and you would have seen my rear tire 😀

Seriously those bikes are what is still engrained in my mind as 'motorcycle'

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I think Cycle World had the 900F listed as doing to quarter mile in 11.96 seconds. That's a slug by today's standards, but it was fast back then. It weighed something like 540 pounds!

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I say they'll do it just like with the cb1000r neo sports. Its just an easy change to the bike for them but it appeals to the kids from the 80's like us.

And hey I had a 82 z1000 and you would have seen my rear tire 😀

Seriously those bikes are what is still engrained in my mind as 'motorcycle'

I know what you mean. I went and got the 80s bike I lusted over as a kid years ago, it's in my signature below.


I would be happy if they would make a new version of that in a similar vein. As for this new CB-F, if the hypothetical production version has TCS/ABS, stays relatively the same styling and comes in at $10K or less, I would be a very likely buyer.

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I think Cycle World had the 900F listed as doing to quarter mile in 11.96 seconds. That's a slug by today's standards, but it was fast back then. It weighed something like 540 pounds!

Considering that many near-contemporary similar bikes were 2-5 seconds slower in the quarter, yup. This was also pre-modern-sportbike, before fully faired beasts became a common thing.

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Wait until you sit on one. I was almost ready to go for the 1000r neo sports then when I put my leg over it I thought no way. These bikes are tiny I'm telling you.

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Wait until you sit on one. I was almost ready to go for the 1000r neo sports then when I put my leg over it I thought no way. These bikes are tiny I'm telling you.

I'm fine with the size of the 1000R, I'd get one except the insurance bill is ridiculous. Honda put the R suffix on it so as a result it gets hit with the literbike-tax-because-people-wrap-R-bikes-around-trees-like-it-is-going-out-of-style insurance rate bat. Multiple times.

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If they painted that thing Red, White , and Blue, and put the little 1100F headlight fairing on it, they wouldn't be able to make enough of them.

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If they painted it black I'd be all over it like a cheap hooker.

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If they painted that thing Red, White , and Blue, and put the little 1100F headlight fairing on it, they wouldn't be able to make enough of them.
Something along these lines? I've got the red version. It's not an 1100, but has pretty good performance numbers.

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If they painted it black I'd be all over it like a cheap hooker.
Wait a minute! Would you be the cheap hooker or would you be all over the cheap hooker?

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I like it, it doesn'tlook like a transformer or an insecticon, I'd ride it

Looks like they just reskinned the 2019 CB1000R
Maybe a different rear subframe?

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Wait a minute! Would you be the cheap hooker or would you be all over the cheap hooker?
I can say with confidence that I would not be expensive.

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Something along these lines? I've got the red version. It's not an 1100, but has pretty good performance numbers.

https://nighthawk-forums.com/index.php?topic=3584.0



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I saw a bike very similar to yours on the east bound side of I-64 in Louisville yesterday. What a coincidence, huh? Your Nighthawk is a good looking old bike. I've gotten to really appreciate old bikes that have been well cared for.

I got passed by a 919 yesterday. It was an 02 model. I see that one every once in a while. It still had the original stock mufflers. I'll bet not many original mufflers survived.

I never really did warm up to what Honda called a Neo Sport Cafe. If you have to invent a complicated name for the catagory of a motorcycle you just put out, That means its just a little weird. Basically all Honda would have to do is Slap different body work on the old CB1000R, and call it a day.

And Honda, if you're listening, don't put the coin on the tank. It doesn't belong.

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I got passed by a 919 yesterday. It was an 02 model. I see that one every once in a while. It still had the original stock mufflers. I'll bet not many original mufflers survived.



That may be a regional thing. The local 919 population around here is mostly stock exhausts or or painted/coated/wrapped stock exhausts, in something like a 3:1 ratio.

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I love those old 80's era Hondas too, especially the 1985 red V65 Sabre.
Most of the Hornets in my area have aftermarket exhaust and I had to really look hard to find a stock one. Here's a picture of my low mileage 07.
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Suzuki has a pretty good looking retro rendition of their GS1000.

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Wait until you sit on one. I was almost ready to go for the 1000r neo sports then when I put my leg over it I thought no way. These bikes are tiny I'm telling you.

I'm fine with the size of the 1000R, I'd get one except the insurance bill is ridiculous. Honda put the R suffix on it so as a result it gets hit with the literbike-tax-because-people-wrap-R-bikes-around-trees-like-it-is-going-out-of-style insurance rate bat. Multiple times.
I’ve sat on one and I didn’t seem to think it felt any smaller than many other bikes in the naked category (Super Duke, Monster, MT10).
Weight seems to be in line with the others also.
It did feel like the riding position was tad more aggressive though, lower handlebars and higher foot pegs, which may make it feel tighter.

Did you run insurance quotes through several companies?
When I was in the market for a new bike a few years back I was looking at a Super Duke, Monster 1200, and CB1000R.
The SDR and Monster were both right at $750/yr for me for full coverage though Geico.
But the CB was $1200, really shocked me because it was the most “conservative” bike of the 3.
Then ran it through Progressive and the CB was in the $700 range and the other 2 were over $1000.
Seems that different companies rate bikes differently.

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I’ve sat on one and I didn’t seem to think it felt any smaller than many other bikes in the naked category (Super Duke, Monster, MT10).
Weight seems to be in line with the others also.
It did feel like the riding position was tad more aggressive though, lower handlebars and higher foot pegs, which may make it feel tighter.

Did you run insurance quotes through several companies?
When I was in the market for a new bike a few years back I was looking at a Super Duke, Monster 1200, and CB1000R.
The SDR and Monster were both right at $750/yr for me for full coverage though Geico.
But the CB was $1200, really shocked me because it was the most “conservative” bike of the 3.
Then ran it through Progressive and the CB was in the $700 range and the other 2 were over $1000.
Seems that different companies rate bikes differently.

Correct, different companies have different actuaries and therefore different rates. When it came out, I was getting quotes of $2000-4000 for full coverage. Even today they're still high; the dealer I deal with has made similar observations recently and cited that as a reason they're having problems selling them at times.

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Correct, different companies have different actuaries and therefore different rates. When it came out, I was getting quotes of $2000-4000 for full coverage. Even today they're still high; the dealer I deal with has made similar observations recently and cited that as a reason they're having problems selling them at times.
Wow, $4000 is nuts.
If the bike didn’t have a lien, at that rate it would probably make more sense to just carry liability and self-insure/risk it.

I’m 42 with a fairly clean driving record, and of course rates vary by state also, so may that be some of the difference.

I have Geico for my cars and when I got the CB quote vs the other two I was going to take it off the short list until I got the Progressive quote.

I currently have an MT10, Geico was like $1400 for it, but Progressive was $700 so of course went with them.
I got a liability quote just to see what it looked like and it was $200/yr.
My 919 was around $150/yr for liability.

I’m guessing there are more people on MT10’s and SDR’s hooning it up than on CB1000R’s.
But they’re the ones making billions, so they must have their reasons.
Just seems so odd that when comparing two bikes (everything else being equal), one company would classify one of them as much riskier and another would basically flip the risk assessment exactly opposite.

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Lotsa features, hope it rides well...and doesn't cost an arm and both legs...

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