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So the missus took the MSF class and went on a few rides with me. After watching her ride, I can see some honest to goodness natural talent. She has a great feel for the bike and I know she's got the skill set for it.

She's about ready to hang up her helmet, though...she gets anxiety before rides and freaks out when it comes to making turns at intersections and all it in-tales. She can see the appeal of riding, mind you, but she's not sure it's worth it to her.

Soooo, she's thinking maybe if some of the stress were reduced by means of an automatic where it's a simple brake/gas situation, she might like it more and eventually graduate up to shifting again. Before we sell her current bike (the mighty Zook Savage) and purchase a scooter, I'm thinking she should get some seat time to see if it makes a difference to her. How does one go about that? Anyone have experience with trading 'down' to automatics? I had forgotten that I learned to ride on a Honda Passport with a 2 speed auto...probably was a good way to learn.

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if i may offer a suggestion...


let her ride without you anywhere in a 10 mile circle... get her to take a 20 minute ride... by herself.. you stay at home... and i guarantee she will have a different opinion when she gets home....



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Hope you have a good line on shipping.

edit: oops.... so, it's not in South America.

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Hope you have a good line on shipping.

edit: oops.... so, it's not in South America.
LOL! Brazil, Indiana. We also have Peru and Lebanon, take a tour around the world and never leave your state!

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if i may offer a suggestion...


let her ride without you anywhere in a 10 mile circle... get her to take a 20 minute ride... by herself.. you stay at home... and i guarantee she will have a different opinion when she gets home....
i think thats a good idea before totally dumping a bike cause scooters are lame.

but honestly, if she gets anxiety like that (and i know what you mean cause my girlfriend gets it over everything) she probably wont get over it even if its on an automatic. either way, good luck with whatever you guys choose

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if i may offer a suggestion...


let her ride without you anywhere in a 10 mile circle... get her to take a 20 minute ride... by herself.. you stay at home... and i guarantee she will have a different opinion when she gets home....
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That's a pretty cool bike - much better looking than a scooter.

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if i may offer a suggestion...


let her ride without you anywhere in a 10 mile circle... get her to take a 20 minute ride... by herself.. you stay at home... and i guarantee she will have a different opinion when she gets home....
I think you're touching on a truth here...she did make a solo journey when she first started out and was pretty exhilirated. I might just suggest that. So it's not all that uncommon to learn on an auto, eh?

Edit: Real time response to suggestion

"WHAT???? I've ridden by myself ONCE and it was TERRIFYING"

Ah, we'll figure it out.

I joke with her it's either ride you own bike or stare at the back of my helmet!

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if i may offer a suggestion...


let her ride without you anywhere in a 10 mile circle... get her to take a 20 minute ride... by herself.. you stay at home... and i guarantee she will have a different opinion when she gets home....

That's so brilliant I should have thought of it, but I didn't...

If that doesn't work then might just wanna give up the whole idea. In order to be safe and become more proficient at riding you have to be confident in your ability. A little anxiety before a ride especially amongst peers is actually normal for most people. If it is affecting her actions or judgment then it could easily end up bad for not just her, but others as well.

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post #12 of 39 Old 09-25-2009, 10:32 AM
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FJR automatic, the new 2010 VFR automatic...

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Riding with out you good.
Her riding with several other ladies Great.
Let her have a girls day out, and try to point away from the city.
Once she gets some miles under her belt she will feel better.
I don't know if she has good leather pants and coat but knowing IF she would go down she is well protected will also not hurt her frame of mind.

Just a thought.

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Riding with out you good.
Her riding with several other ladies Great.
Let her have a girls day out, and try to point away from the city.
Once she gets some miles under her belt she will feel better.
I don't know if she has good leather pants and coat but knowing IF she would go down she is well protected will also not hurt her frame of mind.

Just a thought.
Good advice Mark. Gin has been riding with her friend Di who just got her first bike. They've really enjoyed riding together, I think maybe it's easier to learn and gain experience riding with another woman, less pressure perhaps.

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Not a bad idea. My sister-in-law got her license with the missus...but to be honest, she doesn't look like she's got knack for it. Sigh. I mentioned Hope's wonder as a possible choice - I think she may get part of the fix from riding from her convertible. I'll circle back and let the world know.

Don't be too surprised to see a Baby Blue '06 Suzuki S40 up for grabs in the near future - I'll take offers in the order received, just to be fair, but please realize it will take a while to process the volume.

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Put bike and her into truck drive 100 miles away from home.

Put bike on ground. Toss her helmet jacket gloves. Kiss her tell her how much you love her and drive off.

First one home gets to make the other one slave for a week.


Lotsa fun and let her win.



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barton, that's so awesome...



I have a GF who's learning, too. She's made great strides, and is now having fun riding on her own...but on her own timeline. Her advice is to support her in her learning curve, whatever that may be.

Sometimes, for women especially, taking skills classes sort of gives us permission to become proficient and gain confidence, too. And a big +3 on riding with others or alone--it's a lot of pressure to ride with your lover/spouse at first.

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--it's a lot of pressure to ride with your lover/spouse at first.
And never, ever ride with both

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So true, so true...

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.....cause scooters are lame......



Scooter rock.

There is no other way that my family could of been riding together for the past few years.

My kids started riding on the streets with us years ago, without scooters, they never would of been able too.

I do not think my youngest was even 10 when he started riding on the streets with us, but, whatever, I catch crap for that, I catch crap for anything and everything, there is always a jerk or three out there waiting to rain on the parade......

Anyway -

And the first time I was able to tweek a Met to hit 45, well, hitting 45 on the Met was as much fun as hitting a buck fifty on the 919.

Just a different kind of fun.

Scooters rock, they are a blast.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iqlqK-9r1xA

Yes, scooters are fun - whatever happens, try to not forget what fun really is.

This was really really fun -

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IQfSmicE-gU

Not even related to this thread, but whatever......

Fun, nothing fun is lame IMO.

But, that is just me

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LOL! Brazil, Indiana. We also have Peru and Lebanon, take a tour around the world and never leave your state!
You forgot Mexico, we have mexico too east of 31. Get her a Ridley..they are cooool!

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it's a lot of pressure to ride with your lover/spouse at first.
At first hell... I've constantly got to be on my toes or my wife will go all Aaron Yates on me squeezing right up in the inside and run me wide without so much as a wave.




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At first hell... I've constantly got to be on my toes or my wife will go all Aaron Yates on me squeezing right up in the inside and run me wide without so much as a wave.
A good toe hold on the sheets will keep her from runnin' ya wide

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Soooo, she's thinking maybe if some of the stress were reduced by means of an automatic where it's a simple brake/gas situation, she might like it more and eventually graduate up to shifting again. Before we sell her current bike (the mighty Zook Savage) and purchase a scooter, I'm thinking she should get some seat time to see if it makes a difference to her. How does one go about that? Anyone have experience with trading 'down' to automatics?
I recently bought a Honda SH150i scooter and it is so much fun I gave my 919 away(to a family member). Seriously it's a blast, there is nothing wrong with automatics. and many of them are capable of high speeds so she could still ride with you no problem.

Honda, Yamaha, Vespa, Piaggio, Suzuki, Aprilia and others all make an assortment of scooters that come in different sizes (from 49cc to 650cc) for different purposes and if she is interested in any there is probably a dealer who would let her test ride one.

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I'm not sure what to tell you here. If she doesn't want to make that step to get more comfortable with her own riding abilities, it's not worth pushing it. She needs to be the one to make the call. Would it be worth it to take the MSF class again? Are there some quiet neighborhoods around where she can practice without much traffic?

Best of luck to you both. It sounds like you are putting no pressure on her, which is the best thing that you can do. In the end, it doesn't really matter if she is on her own bike or on the back of yours, whatever she chooses is the right choice.
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Mine wants to learn too but she is wicked scared in the dirt so far so I'm not sure it's gonna be for her. I think I'm gonna go the 4 wheeler route with the wifey for a bit so she can still have some fun riding a bike by her self.

We will see.

Good luck to you regardless and like Kristen said, don't push her. She's got to want to do it and enjoy it.


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The Spyder may be a good alturnative. I road two wheels before I got the spyder, I liked the look and feel of it.

For someone new to riding could have great advantage that she could still go with you. Not have to worry about tipping the bike, they are made with an Automatic if you want one. And she can keep up with you.

Disadvantage could be that she gets used to three and never gets over the possiblity of going over on two, when she'd thinking about going back.

I love it, I think it is fun, I can get up and go. I would recomend it for your case. However not ment for everyone. Those on two for a long time, it does take some getting used to.

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So the missus took the MSF class and went on a few rides with me. After watching her ride, I can see some honest to goodness natural talent. She has a great feel for the bike and I know she's got the skill set for it.

She's about ready to hang up her helmet, though...she gets anxiety before rides and freaks out when it comes to making turns at intersections and all it in-tales. She can see the appeal of riding, mind you, but she's not sure it's worth it to her.

Soooo, she's thinking maybe if some of the stress were reduced by means of an automatic where it's a simple brake/gas situation, she might like it more and eventually graduate up to shifting again. Before we sell her current bike (the mighty Zook Savage) and purchase a scooter, I'm thinking she should get some seat time to see if it makes a difference to her. How does one go about that? Anyone have experience with trading 'down' to automatics? I had forgotten that I learned to ride on a Honda Passport with a 2 speed auto...probably was a good way to learn.
My wife went through similar issues at times. We did a lot of short rides in which she followed me and slowly built up her confidence. Also, we picked times of day. days of the week, in which there would be less traffic. Also, the local MSF folks had a follow-up class that she took to increase her confidence. Then, once her confidence was a little greater, we trailered the bikes to a remote area in which she would be able to ride hours without much traffic. Over time, she has built her confidence slowly and now has done two track/school days (she was terrified before the first session and babbling like a little kid with the coolest present ever after coming in after that session). By the way, I have ridden since I was six-years-old and I sometimes get anxious before or during a normal ride and almost always before the first session of a trackday.

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i think thats a good idea before totally dumping a bike cause scooters are lame.

but honestly, if she gets anxiety like that (and i know what you mean cause my girlfriend gets it over everything) she probably wont get over it even if its on an automatic. either way, good luck with whatever you guys choose
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let her ride without you anywhere in a 10 mile circle... get her to take a 20 minute ride... by herself.. you stay at home... and i guarantee she will have a different opinion when she gets home....

Kinda agree with this, but Aprilia's seems to be making a automatic or 2 lately:

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If there is too much doubt...buy a convertible cage!
Two-wheeling isn't for most so don't force it.
Scooters are much more dangerous than a Kawi-250R.

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If there is too much doubt...buy a convertible cage!
I think the arrival of the convertible MINI did spell doom for her motorcycle days. It's over...bike will be listed soon. My next best hope is to find a bike that accomodates 2-up VERY well, i.e. lets her see the world, too.

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I think the arrival of the convertible MINI did spell doom for her motorcycle days. It's over...bike will be listed soon. My next best hope is to find a bike that accomodates 2-up VERY well, i.e. lets her see the world, too.
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Either that of the Connie Silver lining?

Was going to ride that Baby Blue Bomb into work today...didn't start! Just replaced the battery, too...maybe a month ago. Annoying.

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I think the arrival of the convertible MINI did spell doom for her motorcycle days. It's over...bike will be listed soon. My next best hope is to find a bike that accomodates 2-up VERY well, i.e. lets her see the world, too.
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Either that of the Connie Silver lining?

Was going to ride that Baby Blue Bomb into work today...didn't start! Just replaced the battery, too...maybe a month ago. Annoying.
Sorry to hear! I have also wondered what would make an excellent 2 up bike. (just theoretically at this stage)
We easily cover 500km's a day, which is a lot of saddle time due to NZ roads.
Overtaking space can be limited, so power is definately a must. I have often wondered about the suitability of a Hayabusa, ZX14, B-king or even a http://www.hondacb1300.net/ to fit the bill.
Do you have the CB1300 in the US?

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Sorry to hear! I have also wondered what would make an excellent 2 up bike. (just theoretically at this stage)
We easily cover 500km's a day, which is a lot of saddle time due to NZ roads.
Overtaking space can be limited, so power is definately a must. I have often wondered about the suitability of a Hayabusa, ZX14, B-king or even a Honda CB1300 | Honda CB1300S | Honda CB1300SA | Honda Forum to fit the bill.
Do you have the CB1300 in the US?
Trust me, with close to 150hp the FJR has plenty of power for passing, it's also the lightest and most sporting of the sport tourers.

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She will miss riding her own bike when you start to ride 2-up. Give her time! She will come around. Riding is way more freedom than a convertible! Meet her some where for ice cream. Leave from different locations and ride there. Eat ice cream and ride home together. Give her nothing but praise. Do not critisize her at all. She just took the class and probably has the better attention to everything around her than you!

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When I was out looking for a replacement for my totaled 919, the dealer threw me a set of keys to an Aprilia 850 Mana and it was kinda cool. Yeah, I'd have to say that anyone who was shakey about the shifting thing would appreciate the light weight automatic(CVT) Mana. Plus it's got that Italian coolness to it.
But get her a scooter and let it build up her confidence, she'll let you know when she's ready to move on up OR NOT before you spend good money on an automatic.
Some folks love their scooters, with Aprilia building a 50cc bike that will do 50 off the showroom floor I know I find that interesting. I have heard tell of a few mods that'll make the SR50 run in the 80 mph range.
It's all good


JDubya
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