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post #1 of 18 Old 04-25-2007, 12:55 PM Thread Starter
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Technology versus law

No. We're not talkin' radar detectors here. Traffic lights and waiting time be the topic du jour.

I had my nose in an American Iron mag. and saw an advertisement for an electronic device that lets the intersection sensor "notice" you.

I also heard that at least one state was considering a law that would allow m/c's to "run a red" if they'd been waiting an unusual amount of time due to the bike not being noticed. Allowing for light traffic of course. Thoughts ?

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post #2 of 18 Old 04-25-2007, 01:01 PM
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Some states already allow that. Treat it as if it were a 4-way stop intersection. Wait x-number of cycles, and if it doesn't change, treat as 4-way stop. I don't know which states do.

The green light sensor is essentially an electromagnet. Most embedded road sensors are just large inductors. Break the magnetic field with enough metal, and it tells the sensor to initiate a change sequence.

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There's a little trick you can use when sitting at the light that didn't notice you. with your clutch pulled in thumb the starter button and it will trigger the light sensor as if you are a full sized vehicle.




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Minnesota is one of the states that will allow you to do this. Here in SD it sure would be nice, as there's times where there is no traffic and if you were to do it legally, you may be there for a very long time.

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There's a little trick you can use when sitting at the light that didn't notice you. with your clutch pulled in thumb the starter button and it will trrigger the light sensor as if you are a full sized vehicle.
Sounds like a good way to fry your starter to me.

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Sounds like a good way to fry your starter to me.
That's what I was thinking. I just wait a few cycles then I go... Especially when noone is around.

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Sounds like a good way to fry your starter to me.
I've been doing it for years and I've never had a problem. You're only doing for less than a second and the starter is not engaging.




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Idaho has a red light law.

(e) Notwithstanding any provision of law to the contrary, the driver of a
motorcycle approaching an intersection that is controlled by a triggered
traffic-control signal using a vehicle detection device that is inopera-
tive due to the size of the motorcycle, shall come to a full and complete
stop at the intersection. If the signal fails to operate after one cycle
of the traffic signal, the driver may proceed after exercising due caution
and care. It is not a defense to a violation of section 49-801, Idaho
Code, that the driver of a motorcycle proceeded under the belief that a
traffic-control signal used a vehicle detection device or was inoperative
due to the size of the motorcycle when such signal did not use a vehicle
detection device or that any such device was not in fact inoperative due
to the size of the motorcycle.

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. If the signal fails to operate after one cycle
of the traffic signal, the driver may proceed after exercising due caution
and care.
Except it will never cycle even once if the bike isn't triggering it. And if it did cycle through, then your light is green.

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Another trick is to buy a couple samarium cobalt magnets from Radio Shack and attach them near your kick stand. The lights are triggered by an induction loop sensor in the road, They sense the magnetic field of vehicles and trigger the lights.

Thumbing the starter motor also generates a magnetic field. If you are really nervous about doing this then just shut the bike off then restart it (if no one is around).




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Except it will never cycle even once if the bike isn't triggering it. And if it did cycle through, then your light is green.

I think they meant the time it takes for a cycle to complete. Of course, this is Idaho we're discussing.

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Don't know if NY has it in the books or not but I just do the "exercising due caution and care" deal and go.

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The traffic light near my house out of a dead end street where I need to make a left ALWAYS failed to notice my bike. To make matters worse, there's a city park near by and cops always hang out there in the AM when I leave for work.

I tried everything. I did the starter trick. No deal. I put a mondo magnet on the tab used for the center stand. Nothing.

Eventually, I began to do stop and go's figuring WTF? After a short stop, I'd just gently pull away short-shifting up the street so I wouldn't create too big a ruckus.

If I was pulled over (I never was), I had the story all worked out. I'd even point out the rare-earth magnet I was using to get noticed.

My son's Mustang even failed to trigger it at times. He works in law enforcement and I asked him to look into it. He filed official complaints and eventually they dug up the box nearby and remedied the situation.

I've kept the magnet where it was, but I'm not sure if it makes a difference.

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I waited through two cycles. Cars were stacking up behind me.
I turned right on red, then an immediate left through gas station, out the other side.
I don't know where the dyke cop was, but it took her 1/4 mi or so to catch me @ 45 mph. Gave me a ticket for cutting across the gas station to avoid the intersection. Went to court without lawyer, assumed judge would be reasonable. After giving explanation, judge says into Mic (all cases are audio taped) "My daughter's dance school is near there, I know for a fact that's a timed light not sensor light. Guilty."
Appeals are based only on the audio tape with no new evidence admissible.
My fault completely. You need to bring every shred of evidence to prove your innocense. I should've gotten the engineers' data for that intersection. I just didn't think I needed to. Live and learn. Crooked bastards.

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Have a friend video tape you. Fight tape with tape, dude.

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Most of the lights here in SoCal are sensor based so I have to deal with this frequently. I just wait long enough where it should have turned green, then take a quick look around and go.

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If I can see the loop, which I usually can on sensor lights, I will put the bike right down the length of one side, seems to work better than being centered. Also if I am wearing my work boots, I will plant the steel shank and toe cap right on the line. I used to be able to trigger the gate at work by just stepping on the loop.

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New York has a law pending that would allow motorcycles to safely proceed through a red light if the sensor doesn't recognize the motorcycle. The AMA website has details on it. I contacted my state senator and ask that he support it.

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