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Thumbs down new tire -but confused.

I retired my Pilot Power rear yesterday. I realized that I don't live near many twisties and the huge majority of my miles are on the Highway to and from work in Indy. The middle of the tire had worn to cord and the edges were just fine. So I ordered a Pilot Road 2C. (2C stands for two compound-longer wear middle w/sticky edges) I was installing my SS brake lines and Mach Moto holder so I left the bike up on the stands and just pulled the rear wheel and took it in to the shop. When I got the wheel back with the new tire it felt ALOT HEAVIER, and I mentioned it to the service writer. He joked it was because there was so much more rubber than on my old tire. I shrugged it off and went home. I didn't get around to installing the wheel on the back of my 919 until about 9:30 last night. I spun it to check and make sure the chain was lining up alright, which it was, and then grabbed it to stop it. I heard a whooshing sound that confused me. So I spun the tire harder and stopped it suddenly with my hand since I hadn't bled the rear brake yet. Again but this time much louder a whooshing sound follows after the tire is stopped. I swear to god it seems like there is about two cups of sand and a quart of water in my wheel/tire now. What the fu-hell!!!!! Does anybody know whats going on? Is it a tire balancing material? I don't like it being so much heavier than stock. Seems shady. Hell I went and bought a #520 chain kit to reduce rotating mass, now my rear tire weighs more to my engine than the #530 and stock sprocket ever did!!! Has anyone EVER heard of this?

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Hmmmmmm......... New one on me.
I hen never heard anything inside my tire, ever.

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I mount and balance my own tires. When I took off my Pilot Power rear and replaced it with a Pilot Road 2 it WAS heavier. It also had 100% tread as opposed to the threads that were just starting to show. HOWEVER...it was not terribly heavy and there is no extra 'sounds' coming from inside. Are there any sticky-back weights on the rear wheel or clamp on weights on the center ridge? If not, they may have used balance beads.

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post #4 of 39 Old 06-24-2009, 11:56 AM
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Never had any issues like that and I mount my own tires as well. I know it seems weird, but it sounds like there is water in it...Why?


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Yep, sounds like they used some sort of balancing material inside the tire, if it's a reputable shop they should tell you exactly what they did.

Having been around service departments my whole life I also know that sometimes air lines get moisture in them, especially if there's not a fluid trap installed. It's possible I suppose that your tire was filled from a bad hose that let a bunch of moisture in with the air.

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FYI the required amount of balance beads (1-2oz.) wouldn't be heard or felt... of course they may have filled your tire instead of following the recommendations.

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ride the bike to the shop tell them what you heard, they should lift the tire and spin it to confirm, and find out how they balanced it.

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ride the bike to the shop tell them what you heard, they should lift the tire and spin it to confirm, and find out how they balanced it.
yup... do this..



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Having been around service departments my whole life I also know that sometimes air lines get moisture in them, especially if there's not a fluid trap installed. It's possible I suppose that your tire was filled from a bad hose that let a bunch of moisture in with the air.
This would be my guess as well. A lot of shop get lazy and forget about draining the condensation from the tank and lines. Take it back and show'em.

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I realized that after my tire install they had something bound up? I could hardly spin the tire by hand? Took it all apart, checked everything out, re-assembled and everything is better???

But yea, the difference in gear ratio with a fresh (much taller) tire really changed my opinion of the snappy off the line feel I had! I also notice how much more the bike leans once on the kick stand... it is bunches taller!

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It IS ceramic balance beads. 2oz worth. They say the sound is loud because the inside of a Pilot Road isn't smooth. I rode it a little last night and it seems great, balance/lean wise. It just really freaked me out cuz i'd never heard of the stuff and the wheel seemed so much heavier. No one else I've talked to has ever heard of it either. (Even one guy who's a Harley Tech!) He said "Dude we don't use fancy shiit like that here!" HA! Any body else Like/Dislike this method of balancing tires?

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It IS ceramic balance beads. 2oz worth. They say the sound is loud because the inside of a Pilot Road isn't smooth. I rode it a little last night and it seems great, balance/lean wise. It just really freaked me out cuz i'd never heard of the stuff and the wheel seemed so much heavier. No one else I've talked to has ever heard of it either. (Even one guy who's a Harley Tech!) He said "Dude we don't use fancy shiit like that here!" HA! Any body else Like/Dislike this method of balancing tires?

No experience with it...just had Pilot Roads installed yesterday with the standard wheel weights, no noise, no worries.




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Ive heard one of my tech buddies fussing about it - for the price, I dont thing its worth it -

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It IS ceramic balance beads. 2oz worth. They say the sound is loud because the inside of a Pilot Road isn't smooth. I rode it a little last night and it seems great, balance/lean wise. It just really freaked me out cuz i'd never heard of the stuff and the wheel seemed so much heavier. No one else I've talked to has ever heard of it either. (Even one guy who's a Harley Tech!) He said "Dude we don't use fancy shiit like that here!" HA! Any body else Like/Dislike this method of balancing tires?
I've used ceramic beads for the last 10,000 miles on my 919.

I forget they are there immediately after install <<< that's what we want.

I am surprised that you heard them, but I suspect they will perform just fine for you. Be advised though that most people are ignorant of the principals involved and will be incapable of discussing it to any degree. They tend to call it snake oil BS.

When purchased in bulk I believe my price per tire came to about $1.00. I found this great compared to price of traditional weights and possibly investing in a good balancer.

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Bunch of snake oil BS if you ask me!

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Bunch of snake oil BS if you ask me!

Yo, Noblesville Jarod, you ever coming back down to the city to hang with us?
Truckers are usually more familiar with similar balancing systems and options. It appears that truck tires and their requisite replacement schedules in conjunction with fuel prices are big motivators in the tire balancing technology field.

Scott.... you should be contemplating lost profits... lowered fleet maintenace costs and a green movement!

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Scott.... you should be contemplating lost profits... lowered fleet maintenace costs and a green movement!
i had a green movement once... i had eaten like 4 lime slushies and boy howdy that scared the hell out of me.......



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i had a green movement once... i had eaten like 4 lime slushies and boy howdy that scared the hell out of me.......
I ate a bunch of those 3 foot licorice ropes one time as a kid; they were green. My poo glowed like uranium for a few days. <<< that's catroon uranium, I know the natural stuff doesn't glow.

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i had a green movement once... i had eaten like 4 lime slushies and boy howdy that scared the hell out of me.......
That's the nastiest thing I've heard all day!

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That's the nastiest thing I've heard all day!
well... i can go to bed proud for having done a full days work...



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Interesting Idea... First I've heard of it so I did some checking. Here is a link to how it works and they can be ordered here also!

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For $15 I would try it.

Anybody in the Des Moines area have a tire changer?

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For $15 I would try it.

Anybody in the Des Moines area have a tire changer?
You don't have to take the tire off... you just pull the valve stem core out and pour the beads in with a hose and bottle. Install valve back in and off you go!

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BTW, i'm not using the special valve cores they sell.

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Road2 does seem a little heavy to me than my previous tires, but not problems here.

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i've not heard of using balance beads. it's intriguing.

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Interesting Idea... First I've heard of it so I did some checking. Here is a link to how it works and they can be ordered here also!

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Me neither... new to me!!! Would they wear the inner rim, or tyre from inside out? I dont get how they could uniformly spread out, as the inside of a tyre is not that "smooth" or "even"..... Interesting......

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Me neither... new to me!!! Would they wear the inner rim, or tyre from inside out? I dont get how they could uniformly spread out, as the inside of a tyre is not that "smooth" or "even"..... Interesting......
Regarding how they function, did you look at the link?

After 4-5 thousand miles when changing tires you will find a bit of fine rubber powder amongst the beads. It's comparable to wearing the nubbies off the outside of the tire in my opinion.

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BTW, i'm not using the special valve cores they sell.

I going to try it.

How much are you putting in? They sell a 1 oz kit, a 1 oz & 2 oz kit, and a 2oz kit.

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I going to try it.

How much are you putting in? They sell a 1 oz kit, a 1 oz & 2 oz kit, and a 2oz kit.
I use 1oz. in the front and 2oz. in the rear. When buying them I bought a 10oz bag to make it a bit cheaper.

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So, the real question is: Do they work as advertised? And is it worth it over traditional lead weights?

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Regarding how they function, did you look at the link?

After 4-5 thousand miles when changing tires you will find a bit of fine rubber powder amongst the beads. It's comparable to wearing the nubbies off the outside of the tire in my opinion.
Yeah, I did..... how do they perform when on a wheel balancer? And how would you check if your tyre is balanced on bike?

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2oz seems like alot of weight to me though. 2oz of stickon weights and you did something wrong. my roadsmarts needed 0oz in the front and .50 in the rear i bought right around 400oz for 40 bucks. so if each roadsmart i put on from here on in is the same, each tire will cost me $.20 to balance and i can do 800 tire changes. or change someone elses tires get them to pay for the weights then the rest of mine will be free

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Yeah, I did..... how do they perform when on a wheel balancer? And how would you check if your tyre is balanced on bike?
On a static or bubble balancer they would fail, obviously. I can't comment on how they would look on a spin balancer...I just use them.

How do you know your wheels on your bike are balanced now? Get out and ride it.

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2oz seems like alot of weight to me though. 2oz of stickon weights and you did something wrong. my roadsmarts needed 0oz in the front and .50 in the rear i bought right around 400oz for 40 bucks. so if each roadsmart i put on from here on in is the same, each tire will cost me $.20 to balance and i can do 800 tire changes. or change someone elses tires get them to pay for the weights then the rest of mine will be free
I don't question your statements or your math. Remember though that what most people are after when looking at a different solution is to simplify the tire change at home and eliminate the balancing act altogether. It takes me about 2 minutes to measure out 28g worth of beads and throw them in the tire when I am mounting it, or a few minutes longer if I put them in through the stem after mounting. An unspoken benefit of this soultion should also be a continually adjust balance as tire wear progresses, rather than a single balance when the tire is new and in the shop. Even picking up a rock in the tread should be accounted for (theoretically).

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I ordered some. I've been checking around and these seem to be the real deal. For the cost it is worth a shot.

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They do sound like a great idea TJ, just interested, thas all....
I like the idea of something that is always adjusting 'on the fly', and such a simple solution.
I check my balance on bike after the shop fits tyres, and have found them to be out once or twice over the years, I spose this would eliminate any 'shop error'...

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cool stuff! i think i am going to try them. now all i need is a good place to mount a tire.

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Hey beardlessj, most of the MWR auto skill centers have tire mounting equipment, and some of them even have the motorcycle tire adapters. I'd give them a call, it's worth a shot.

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