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I can't begin to count the number of times I have seen motorcyclists driving like maniacs on their death machines. Every time I do, I say to myself "they'll be scraping him off the pavement some day!" Now it's too late for this driver to take back what he has done. Oh, when will they ever learn??? I pity the parents of the girl victim.
I'll have to hop on my death machine after work and head home. Maybe some day I can be scraped off the pavement.

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even after being scraped off the pavement, I'm unrepentant! I'm going ridin' on mah DEATH MACHEEN!

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Sad and very avoidable. Her sister left the scene without joining the search party?!

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From the finding of a shoe, sunglasses, etc. I'm making the assumption they were lacking gear?

The dumba$$ driving should be fried if the story of using the shoulder and driving recklessly is true. Cagers have been know to be a bit over enthusiastic on reporting death machine drivers!

It's better to have loved and lost than live with the psycho for life!
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From the finding of a shoe, sunglasses, etc. I'm making the assumption they were lacking gear?

The dumba$$ driving should be fried if the story of using the shoulder and driving recklessly is true. Cagers have been know to be a bit over enthusiastic on reporting death machine drivers!
I have a different opinion.
If the passenger was not a hostage... She willingly chose to be on the back of the bike. If there were two bikes and the passengers were sisters, i assume this was not one time behavior.

Jack ass will live with killing someone for the rest of his life. He will now have the burden of 'innocent fun' ending life of a friend.

Should he get manslaughter... sure. He was driving. But aside from that.... I am not too concerned of any criminal charge.

My opinion - Tragic, Yes. But people still get on bikes with people they do nto know well or damn well know they are a risk taker.

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I have a different opinion.
If the passenger was not a hostage... She willingly chose to be on the back of the bike. If there were two bikes and the passengers were sisters, i assume this was not one time behavior.

Jack ass will live with killing someone for the rest of his life. He will now have the burden of 'innocent fun' ending life of a friend.

Should he get manslaughter... sure. He was driving. But aside from that.... I am not too concerned of any criminal charge.

My opinion - Tragic, Yes. But people still get on bikes with people they do nto know well or damn well know they are a risk taker.

Agree 100%

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From the finding of a shoe, sunglasses, etc. I'm making the assumption they were lacking gear?
aparantly lacking her shoe, sunglasses and etc....



sorry if i seen kinda callous to this... i have worked plenty of these accidents... and it isnt just sportbikes... we have all seen the cruisers do stupid stuff like pass on the shoulder *( althou it is the majority sportbikes)...

anyway.. it is really sad that the young lady lost her life.. and if justice is served then that boy will end up in jail for a while... *(altho living with the knowledge you killed someone with your stupidity is hard to live with)..

this happens everyday.. the only reason this made the news is because of the extra drawing power of her being thrown from a bridge into the water below....

the media will get on t.v. with misty eyes and paint a picture of innocence lost and beat the drum and put her grieving parents on and her neighbors who tell of what a sweet girl she was and how he was a good kid with a reckless streak...until they cannot suck anymore attention from the american people and they trot out the next sacrificial lamb...


i am surprised that the news media has never been caught setting booby traps to kill people to make headlines for themselves...


this is my opinion feel free not to share it...



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Sad and very avoidable. Her sister left the scene without joining the search party?!


What kind of person leaves the scene of an accident involving a sibling??

I would have jumped right off that bridge looking for my sister. WTF?

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assuming it's not a usually fatal jump i think most of us would've jumped off the bridge to look for a stranger right there in the moment. can't imagine the denial the sister will project for the rest of her days.

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assuming it's not a usually fatal jump i think most of us would've jumped off the bridge to look for a stranger right there in the moment. can't imagine the denial the sister will project for the rest of her days.
I can. And I have recently adopted this poor outlook.

"It is not my fault. There should have been signs saying that if a motorcycles speeds on the should in traffic and hits something, it is bad. I would have helped my sister, but the 'men' on the seen should have done it. Motorcycles should be illegal. This never would have happened in a car," etc...

Face it.
No one is responsible for their own actions ever. (except one lone recent exception regarding an NFL player) Bad things are always a result of the environmont, not the individual.

"If traffic was moving faster, this would have never happened, that bridge needs more lanes before someone else dies"

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yup, yup and yup!

Her sister leaving the scene confirms the absence of smarts in her group that led to this completely avoidable death. It's not an accident since those occur under normal circumstances; racing on the public shoulder, no ATGATT, 2up is anything but normal!

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I can. And I have recently adopted this poor outlook.

"It is not my fault. There should have been signs saying that if a motorcycles speeds on the should in traffic and hits something, it is bad. I would have helped my sister, but the 'men' on the seen should have done it. Motorcycles should be illegal. This never would have happened in a car," etc...

Face it.
No one is responsible for their own actions ever. (except one lone recent exception regarding an NFL player) Bad things are always a result of the environmont, not the individual.

"If traffic was moving faster, this would have never happened, that bridge needs more lanes before someone else dies"
Unfortunatly no one needs to be acountable for their actions now, they just need lawyers... and a butt load of money. That is a shame about the girl, though... and those two idiots ridin should have stopped to look IMO.

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i'll bet she was'nt wearing a helmet(pa has no helmet law)

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Title 75. Vehicles. Part III. Operation of Vehicles. Chapter 35. Special Vehicles and Pedestrians. Subchapter B. Special Rules for Motorcycles. Section 3525. Protective Equipment for Motorcycle Riders. :
"(a) Protective headgear.--Except as provided in subsection (d), no person shall operate or ride upon a motorcycle or a motor-driven cycle (other than a motorized pedalcycle) unless he is wearing protective headgear which complies with standards established by the department.
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"(d) Exception.--The provisions of [subsections (a) and (b)] subsection (a) shall not apply to the following:
"(1) The operator or any occupant of a three-wheeled motorcycle equipped with an enclosed cab.
"(2) A person 21 years of age or older who has been licensed to operate a motorcycle for not less than two full calendar years.
"(3) A person 21 years of age or older who has completed a motorcycle rider safety course approved by the department or the Motorcycle Safety Foundation.
"(4) The passenger of a person exempt under this subsection, if the passenger is 21 years of age or older."

I Agree about the no helmet part this came out today

“She died of multiple injuries to the head and body, and died shortly after the crash,” Hofman said. “She struck the cement guardrail and was dead when she hit the water.”

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They still shoulda looked... fookers...

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i dont understand why PA riders insist on not wearing helmets. every time i go there, the majority of bikers are not wearing helmets. it doesnt make you look cool to not wear one. to each their own i suppose. me, ill stick with the helmet when im in PA

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Just stupid people I suppose. I'm sure many in Jersey would do the same if laws permit. Instead you guys have those stupid circle intersection death traps.

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if someone don't wanna wear a helmet that is their business not yours...

its all part of natures way of thinning the herd through natural selection...

i personally wear my helmet...

but i don't see where any of you have the right to tell someone else (other than your spouse/kids/close friends) anything about it... if someone don't wanna wear it... so be it...

the same argument goes for seat belts, condoms, etc etc etc...

stop telling other people what to do and live your life with the smug self satisfied feeling that you have a 50% better chance of surviving a accident than they do...



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stop telling other people what to do and live your life with the smug self satisfied feeling that you have a 50% better chance of surviving a accident than they do...

+1 barton. I thought that a big part of motorcycling was "doing what you want, how you want". if it was not, i'm sure all of us would be driving nice compact sedans that run on electricity. I wear my helmet, but i'm enough of a rebel that I can appreciate that the law in colorado says helmets are optional.


As far as the water rescue/recovery after the accident, i'm sure the authorities searched till it was too dark to do any good.

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but i don't see where any of you have the right to tell someone else (other than your spouse/kids/close friends) anything about it... if someone don't wanna wear it... so be it...
I kanda agree. The problem is when that guy becomes a vegetable and my taxes pay for the rest of his worthless existance.

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I kinda agree. The problem is when that guy becomes a vegetable and my taxes pay for the rest of his worthless existance.
I feel ya, but its part of the price of having the freedom to ride. besides which, if everybody took all the well intentioned advice that the world throws at us THAT seriously, we'd all be walking around in a thick insulating layer of bubble-wrap just to go get the mail. its just not possible to legislate away every risk, and I think it's a horrible mistake to try.

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Missouri just repealed the helmet law here (for over 21). Apparently it keeps the state from having any Harley rally's (big money lost). Personally I will wear mine at all times (maybe with the exception of going down the alley 2 blocks to get a slurpee from apu at 7-11 mmmmmmmm slurpeeee).

I love the fact that we have a choice now though. I don't need a government babysitter. And possibly a few less streetfightaz making the news by stopping interstate traffic.

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I kanda agree. The problem is when that guy becomes a vegetable and my taxes pay for the rest of his worthless existance.
yeah... i know what ya mean...


but 1/2 of these people your tax dollars raised them from birth and paid for their schooling (till they quit/got expelled) and pay for the kids they are creating with their teenage girlfriends..........

so why not... i supported them this long... why not a bit longer... at least this way i don't have to worry bout running over them when i am driving my suv...

i also don't believe a person should be kept on life support... if your brain is dead they will never ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever be able to bring ya back...

so pull the plug and lets ride to hooters for wings and beer...



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I kanda agree. The problem is when that guy becomes a vegetable and my taxes pay for the rest of his worthless existance.
Apparantly here, they are going to make all M endorsements "opt out" of any state medical funding if you check you want to not wear a helmet. We'll see how many people actually do that.

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Apparantly here, they are going to make all M endorsements "opt out" of any state medical funding if you check you want to not wear a helmet. We'll see how many people actually do that.
that is a great idea.... amazing that government occasionally has a decent idea..

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I kanda agree. The problem is when that guy becomes a vegetable and my taxes pay for the rest of his worthless existance.
to me...this is exactly why many states do not have helmet laws...let me correct myself. Many states have helmet laws, but those who are eligible to ride without a helmet only need to be a certain age with limited riding experience.

It's cheaper for everyone if someone dies in a crash as opposed to being a veggie at the hospital. My guess is insurance companies have run statistics that puts a price on each motorcyclists head and a risk factor for death, veggie, or minor injury and then decided that there will be less overall payout if riders do not wear helmets. Then they lobby for laws.

On the total opposite side of that, I can sit in my 8,750 GVW truck and am FORCED to wear my seatbelt...and if I don't, it's an instant $300 fine.

I choose to wear my helmet and seatbelt, but occasionally while in the truck, I won't wear it. If I ever get pulled over for no seatbelt, I'm probably going to end up in jail because I'm going to tell him how retarded that is and how stupid he is for actually enforcing such a dumb law.

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I'm currently on vacation in SC...no helmet law, and in the resort areas, I would estimate 90% wearing shorts, sandals and no helmet. I'm sure its different statewide, but man it makes my skin crawl to see it.

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I'm currently on vacation in SC...no helmet law, and in the resort areas, I would estimate 90% wearing shorts, sandals and no helmet. I'm sure its different statewide, but man it makes my skin crawl to see it.
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Apparantly here, they are going to make all M endorsements "opt out" of any state medical funding if you check you want to not wear a helmet. We'll see how many people actually do that.
HD rally riders will check the box with splattered grey matter.
Since the injured have to be alive to work on... CA Studies proved less medical funds are spent when accident riders don't wear helmets. Barton has enlightened me to an excellent point, repeal all helmet laws and promote freedom of choice!

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HD rally riders will check the box with splattered grey matter.
Since the injured have to be alive to work on... CA Studies proved less medical funds are spent when accident riders don't wear helmets. Barton has enlightened me to an excellent point, repeal all helmet laws and promote freedom of choice!
That was one of the points brought up in the debate. However....

1. Out of staters don't have to check the box obviously and..

2. Several of the idiots on the news sites I've read have said they won't wear a helmet but they're not checking the box either so that kinda makes the box a moot point unless the cop pulls them over for something else and tickets them if they don't have it on.

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Just stupid people I suppose. I'm sure many in Jersey would do the same if laws permit. Instead you guys have those stupid circle intersection death traps.
lol yeah i totally agree with ya that people in jersey would do the same if we didnt have to wear helmets. and our circles are perfectly managable. the key is to just keep going

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not me......


natural selection my good man... enjoy watching nature at its finest...

think of it as the "discovery channel" in really really big screen really really hi def...
....but....but....I don't want blonde bimbos in bikini's with tig bitties weeded out...

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....but....but....I don't want blonde bimbos in bikini's with tig bitties weeded out...
They shouldn't be on the back of an idiots bike, they should be on trampolines.

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I Ride with and without, I prefer without. I am smart enough to know certain areas - weather- ect, are higher risk to, so then I ware the helmet. I also have a DNR, and large life insureance for my daughter. Morbid - but I know Risk and reality are planned for.

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I Ride with and without, I prefer without. I am smart enough to know certain areas - weather- ect, are higher risk to, so then I ware the helmet. I also have a DNR, and large life insureance for my daughter. Morbid - but I know Risk and reality are planned for.

Does a DNR cover if you are alive but braindead? Like Coma etc?

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....but....but....I don't want blonde bimbos in bikini's with tig bitties weeded out...
if she is hanging with a douchebag then she is infected... she must be purified... i hate to loose good horseflesh just like any other man...

but sometimes you gotta tie ole yeller to the tree and put one in his head....


for the "greater good"



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You and include or exclude as you feel your life is livable. I Have simple - NO machines for any reason. If I can't not live without tubes or machines, breathing on my own - Let me go. Not going to burden family, or spend money on nonecence. When I gone - say good buy and go do something fun with another friend before they go to.

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