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Impressions of the 1125.

OK, so Saturday i decided to go fro a ride to check out the ST1300 Simpson was looking at. After spending some time there, i also checked out the DR400SM. It is the white one with blue writing..... Me likey the looks - but no demo.

So... after some time in the Japanese shop, i head over to Southside HD. I go in and talk to the two guys that got to do the Dealer intro at VIR on the 1125. I got their input, then headed out on the 1125R myself.

First impressions....

Gear too tall. Similar to stock RC51 gearing in feel. RPMs to get started and a little bit of clutch slip and it is off.

The bike feels fairly lite and moves around reasonably at low speed. No issues getting out of the parking lot and merging with traffic. I am cautious as I am getting used to a new bike.

Riding the bike impressions...

1st and 2nd gear wheelies are easy. No clutch. ust power one near 3K. Yup, just 3K and it is ready to lift.

2nd to 3rd results in some wabble if you are sloppy. The bike certainly has power to spare.

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to the RC51, the 1125 comes on stronger and lower in the power range. Power was comfortably on hand once beyond 3K.

to the R1, due to the strong midrange, the 1125 lacked the punch of the R1 at 7K. i think that was simply because it was already making power the R1 cound not dream of in the mid range. I am not sure the 1125 is "faster" - but I am sure it can keep up.

to the XB9 - The 9 was more fun in the handling department. It was/is very agressive in rake and trail. i am not sure the new engine would agree with this set up. In the power department,... no comparison to make

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Yes, Buell has actually made a sportbike!
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I got more opinions, but not sure what people want to hear...

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how tall are you and what did you think about the ergos?

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Good topic...
I am 6'2" and 230lb.

Ergos... The foot peg position was decent. High enough to be agressive on the bike with out fear and still low enough i did not feel cramped.

To compare vs a speed triple - I feel more leg room that the speed triple, about the same reach to the bars, but the 1125 bars are at least two inches lower. It is a very do able position to me.

The bike was certainly built for someone a little smaller. The windsheild does very little for me. But then again, almost every sport bike it like that for me.

You are positioned up over the front of the bike, but it was no more agressive than my RC51.

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I would say it is an agressive Standard, or a relaxed sportbike.
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ah.... I actually forgot to comment on the one thing that really blew me away...


the brakes.

NEVER have i ridden a bike that I could do a 1 finger stoppie with such ease.
I quickly had the utmost confidence in the bike's bikes. Modulation was perfect.

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sweet I gotta go look at one!! not gonna get it either but it sounds like a blast!

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Great write up! I can't wait to get a chance to ride one or at least see one out on the road.

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Thanks, great review, I have been wondering about it, havent heard much yet.

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Thank you for putting that 103hp, ~400lb sport bike on WT radar!
Sounds like a blast! It's great they allow test rides. Sure wish
all dealers would to non-family.

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103hp
Huh?

So f4iguy - what would keep you from owning one?

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The HP is closer to 150, is it not?

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Built for someone smaller you say......

Not like Circus small like me right?

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Huh?

So f4iguy - what would keep you from owning one?
money.--

I have no need for a sport bike or hooligan bike.
However if the 'need' were to arise, i would purchaser this before I though about any 'true' sport bike.

it is just the right amount of hooligan/sport bike combo.

I am of the thinking this is comparable to the Speed Triple in fun factor, but with just a little more of a sport bike orientation.

I really think they hit on something here. My personal expectations were exceeded in every category.

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HP - I believe it is suppesed to be 135ish at the wheel. And it felt it.


as for a smaller rider - I would say typical sportbike small.

5'10"

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This engine is 150hp at the crank. I intend to ride it this week for a S3 comparison.

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I have no need for a sport bike or hooligan bike.
However if the 'need' were to arise, i would purchaser this before I though about any 'true' sport bike.

it is just the right amount of hooligan/sport bike combo.
me neither. sucks, doesn't it? I wanna buy a bike just because buying bikes is fun but can't justify it.
I was looking at a Tiger the other day thinking "oh yeah, I could put a ton of miles on this" but then realized I just don't have the time.

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The HP is closer to 150, is it not?
Sorry my bad, I was looking at the older version without the site's new clickthrough. What a ROCKET, well worth the extra $2k!

146 HP @ 9800 RPM, dry weight @ 375lb!!!!
Check out the video!
http://www.buell.com/en_us/bikes/spo...25r/index.asp#

Catchy marketing "built from the rider down"

I want a test ride!

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Some of the Bike rag reviews indicated some of the fuel calibrations etc were still being worked out on the preproduction bikes they rode. How did it seem to you, did they get the kinks worked out?

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hmm.... well the bike felt very smooth. I did not notice any throttle issues at all. I did have to slip the clutch on take off, But I attribute that to gearing being too tall. (not unlike the stock RC)

Once moving, it was great. i have to believe all kinks were worked out.

And remember this is a demo, it has not been properly warmed up, broke in, etc...

I noticed nothing of a fuel injection issue.

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Some of the Bike rag reviews indicated some of the fuel calibrations etc were still being worked out on the preproduction bikes they rode. How did it seem to you, did they get the kinks worked out?
I had read this as well. What concerned me is they were working on this while testing on the track eventhough they claim this bike will not be intended as a race platform. Hopefully they go it right for the street.

I have to say this is the only bike that's come along since 02 that might pull me away from my 9ner. Geez i'll have to change my screen name if that happens

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If any of you are intrested - check out ww.buell.com and then look for the inside pass riders day - I missed my chance to go last year ,but, my brother went and rode the same 1125 pratically all day. he was impressed but still likes his ZX6RR better. Funy, he bought a RSV Mille and won some races on it this past weekend, but, still hates the V twin -
I on the other hand love my XB9R - Ive got about 15k miles on it and alot - porbally 75% are trackday miles. Ive had one problem with it ( oil leak @ the oil coller, but, it ws common on the early bikes, mine was # 916 off the line in 2003 ) and other than that, its been a simply great bike. Needs more power and a chain drive in stead of the belt for the track, but, as long as you rember this motor was first built in 19xx and doesnt make a whole lot of power, youll have a ton of fun on it !

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Sounds like they got Fueling worked out, how was the engine heat, I cant remember for sure but that was maybe the other issue some one complained about, of course that test was during the heat of summer.

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<---- Anxiously awaits Simpson's review of his test ride on the 1125.

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me too.

I have twin experience and enjoy how it lays down power.

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S3 Vs. 1125R

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<---- Anxiously awaits Simpson's review of his test ride on the 1125.
Just got back from south side harley...

After collecting my thoughts, its seems the comparison of the S3 and 1125R something like comparing apples and oranges. Reason being the 1125 is a sport bike and the S3 is an "open standard", but I'll still do it regardless. Even drove the S3 to the shop to get the best on/off thoughts.

When first sitting on the bike, I was so excited with anticipation, I had some small butterflies. The bike looks menacing like the Ninja ZX14.

Lets cut to the chase on the stack-up

Butt Dyno: The current published dynos should support my butt's feelings
S3 - Lots more low end Torque. The S3 makes great power at 2-5k rpm.
1125 - Little more high end "power". Strong power band is at the 7-9k rpm area. Low rpm is sluggish compared to the S3.

Handling:
1125 - Is a bit smoother into the corners. The low center of gravity is like butter. Bike has a confidence inspiring feeling when leaning.

Braking:
1125 - Very sensitive braking. Seemed smooth but a learning curve would be required to modulate safely in aggressive maneuvers.

Shifting:
Definitely a smoother shifting bike than the S3. 3S can get "clunky".

Riding Vibrations:
The S3 is light years smoother than the twin. Yeah, i understand its a twin. After you hit 6k the bike shakes pretty hard.

Riding Position:
S3 - Relaxed more upright
1125 - Typical sport bike position


The 1125R seemed like a neat concept but because of the comfort level, I can't imagine a person piling on the miles due to the vibrations and riding position. This is a riding style choice and mine is one of a more relaxed nature. Some would prefer these attributes. I just wasn't blown away with the power. In fact, the power delivery of the S3 far smoother while maintaining a higher output in the first moments. They both can easily wheelie in 1st and 2nd gear. Although S3 jumps up much faster, while the heavier feeling 1125 is slow climbing. Probably due to the torque curve.

Rode home today feeling my life could still be complete not owning this machine. Considering this is a sport bike and i was looking to buy something similar, the competition would be the R1, CBR1000 or others. In this case the 1125R would not be my first pick. Might actually be far down on the list due to cost, reliability and performance.

In all, it was fun ragging out/ doing wheelie's on a 13,000 bike for free.

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If any of you are intrested - check out ww.buell.com and then look for the inside pass riders day - I missed my chance to go last year ,but, my brother went and rode the same 1125 pratically all day.
Looks like the website requires you to be a Buell owner inorder to see the inside pass schedule. So i'm interesting in a Buell for the first time guess they don't want me to check one out.

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Nice writeup Simpson. I should also have a chance to ride a friends 1125 as soon as the weather warms up. It might make for a interesting comparision with the 9er.

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Looks like the website requires you to be a Buell owner inorder to see the inside pass schedule. So i'm interesting in a Buell for the first time guess they don't want me to check one out.

you still can, it's just not the most user friendly site
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I think simpson's review is based on back ground as is mine.

Our opinions are based probably on we like power delivery and experience.

I think the more opinions the better. As I certainly disagree with comparing it to the I-4s based on engine as well as being a "sport bike."

As with everythign Buell, it does kinda fit into a category of its own.

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I saw one driving down my street today, when I was in my truck. I flagged him down, and he pulled into the next cul-de-sac. I pulled a U-ey and got up next to him. Friendly guy. Apparently he works at the Harley dealer about 15 miles from here, and said the odometer read 16miles. He said he hadn't done any wheelies or gone too fast yet, because it needed 1,000 miles on it first. I had been hoping for another local rider to play with, but at least I got some info on the bike. I even got him to admit that crotch rockets are more fun than all the other Harleys including the V-Rod! Next month, I think he said the 17th or 18th, they will be doing a demo day. Can't wait!

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jlux if you want a bigger, quicker naked bike and don't mind the transformers look checkout the 990 superduke.
I hear you, I'm to old and fat for a sports bike riding position.

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nah. sits upright, dood. It's like an edgier niner.
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I think simpson's review is based on back ground as is mine.

Our opinions are based probably on we like power delivery and experience.

I think the more opinions the better. As I certainly disagree with comparing it to the I-4s based on engine as well as being a "sport bike."

As with everything Buell, it does kinda fit into a category of its own.

In reference to our conversation on the phone yesterday...

Notice they don't plot the first 4k plus some

Here is the "Buell" bullcrap dyno...



Now read this posting from a owner of the bike...

"I took my Buell for sevice and they had a chilli cook off at my local stealer... they were also having a HP contest... the bike with most HP wins a trophy and $125.00 gift card... I said why not... my Buell had 125 HP and 69 ft/lbs of torque at the wheels... I had the most HP for the event... they had different classes... I took the Buell trophy... there was a guy with an ultra classic... and he was pushing near 120 HP and about 130 lbs of torque... the bike sounded bad ass... "

Link

Hmmm that a difference of 15%

Lets see what the torque curve looks like with a 13% difference and extend it into the lower rpm to see where this flat curves stands.



Now compare it to the Street fighters torque curve...



If you have any more questions for for my calibrated butt, I'll be happy to support my opinions with additional graphs.
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As with all Buells, Id wait a year and see if they dont make a naked version - Im willing to bet they will do something like the XB12/9S with it.

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