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post #1 of 13 Old 02-11-2007, 04:32 PM Thread Starter
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Honda gearing

I was reading manual from 919 I and I was surprised with recommendation they have for gear switching
20,30,40,50,60 km/h for 2-6th gears correspondingly...

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IMO, all of their manauls, for all of their bikes, suggest shifting at too low a speed.

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IMO, all of their manauls, for all of their bikes, suggest shifting at too low a speed.
This may be true, and I see why they do it, but shortshifting a CBR 600 past the first tank of gas (if that long) is a sure sign you've absolutely bought the wrong bike. The 919 loves it. Let's be real here -- top end urge is all very well and good, but when you are crawling along at 22 MPH splitting heavy traffic in a drizzle trying to get to work on time the most important things to have are a wide, controllable power band and maneuverability! If you have ever spent time in the saddle of a big single you know what I'm talking about. The 919 posesses these charactistics in spades. It flows through traffic like wind through the trees in the forest -- affected by it, but not stopped by any means. Plonk away from a light at 1500 RPM, give it a quick pinch of throttle to oops yourself past that drifting car and get it into second as soon as possible: it's good from 13 MPH to 80. When riding canyon roads at a fast pace I commonly leave it in third gear. Only. It's good for 100 MPH, and nicely controlls power when exiting hairpins.
-- So in this case pay attention to the manual: for real world use, it is right.
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So the manual is only really listing the lowest speeds possible for shifting, not the optimum shift speed, correct?

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-- So in this case pay attention to the manual: for real world use, it is right.
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Huh? I think you need to reread your post and then look at the manual. 60 kms = about 37 mph. Try that in sixth gear sometime. I haven't looked at the 9er manual, but this is typical for Honda literature. Like I said before, Honda's suggested shift points are always at too low a speed IMO.

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Huh? I think you need to reread your post and then look at the manual. 60 kms = about 37 mph. Try that in sixth gear sometime. I haven't looked at the 9er manual, but this is typical for Honda literature. Like I said before, Honda's suggested shift points are always at too low a speed IMO.
I'm with Jim here. Sixth is okay at 45 mph, but anything below that and you might as well get off and push.

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The low shift points in those manuals are simply a function of our litigious society.....

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I did some more reading on 919, (since my bike is still in the dealership waiting for the front tire ). They write that the main detune from CBR was to bring power down to low gears and 4000-5000 rpm is an optimal range.. That is about rpm I keep up on my 78 cb750f in city driving which tops at 7000..

I just added 919 to my AAA motorcycle insurance and with 78 750f on it already, it got to $220 (only liability) not bad at all. Interestingly, they could not add cb900f 2002 so they quoted 2003. Also does it go as a "Supersport" or not? Insurance guy asked me that and I was not sure. The difference should be in suspension setting is it ? I know my 78' 750f has a Supersport written on it .

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I thought that red area on the gauge thingy was to tell you where to shift.

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Looks like Nick is right, I checked the gearing spreadsheet and the correct shift points are as follows:
62, 85, 107, 125, and 139mph....j/k

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Serge, every owners manual for every vehicle with a manual shift will give you rediculously low rpm and mph shift points. Optimal gas mileage is used as the excuse fairly often. My RX-7's manual tells me to shift at 2500 rpms, when the car doesn't even start to make any power until 4k or so. It would take me 30 seconds to hit 60mph if I shifted at 2500 rpms.

The 9'r is solid as a rock. Keep the oil changed and the air filter clean, and shift it whenever the hell you want. It's just like everything Honda.

If you're not sure, take a poll here and see how many of us have had engine failures due to running the hell out of our bikes. Not many, I promise you.

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serge, the insurance people might be looking at the wrong bike. The old CB900 had a SuperSport version, but the 919 should ONLY show up as a CB900F. Some companies manage to bugger this up and then end up giving you a quote that is hugely expensive once they realize you have a 919 and not a 20 something year old CB900.

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