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post #1 of 41 Old 03-29-2011, 01:31 PM Thread Starter
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Those with track/sport bikes

My 06 600RR was sold two weeks ago. And looks like my RC has a buyer (wasn't really selling it, but...).

I'm looking for a track/back roads carving machine. I was wondering what you guys had to compliment the 919. The lady and some of my riding buddies have already pointed out that I was making the 919 into something like my sport bikes.

My original plan was to keep the RC, and turn that into a track day bike. I'm 5'7" with long arms, but I still feel like the RC is a bit of a reach for me. The Gilles rearsets help a lot, and I had just picked up some adjustable clipons.

I test rode an '07 750 Gix, and I wasn't impressed. Also test rode an '08 600 Gix, and wasn't impressed with that one either. I'm not a huge fan of sitting 'in' the bike, and it felt like my 600RR had more midrange than those two bikes.

So, what are you guys riding when you feel like scraping elbows?

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My 06 600RR was sold two weeks ago...
So, what are you guys riding when you feel like scraping elbows?
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I would think the RC51 and the 600RR would have given you the gamut of sport rides ?

Not impressed with the lauded Gizzer 750 ( nor the similarly liked 51 and 600 ) seem to indicate maybe you don't really want a sportsbile.

The Triumph 675?

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Actually, I loved my 600RR. My beef with the Gixxers is just the sitting position.

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I would think the RC51 and the 600RR would have given you the gamut of sport rides ?

Not impressed with the lauded Gizzer 750 ( nor the similarly liked 51 and 600 ) seem to indicate maybe you don't really want a sportsbile.

The Triumph 675?

that might be one to check out... the daytona 675, that lil triple makes some serious power.

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Tough to beat a CBR600rr for a track bike.
The GSX-R 600 and 750 also make great track bikes.

Since just sold one and don't want the others, it is tough to tell what you actually want.

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A 600RR track bike is on my list.......

Why not make the 919 into a trackday ride? A week later, slap on some handlebar risers, a different windshield, and a Sargent seat and ride to California.

I picked up a 'trackday' dented tank for $40. Cracked tail for free that I fixed......and adjusted my rear sets high and back...... I also picked up a second used set of rims on WT for cheap to run some PP2CT's.

So what if you make the 919 fill multiple roles for cheap.

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I thought the 675's had oil issues? This is keeping me away from the newer 1000RR's as well.

Brad, I'm not married yet, and the lady is fully supporting me having multiple bikes (she was ok when I had 3). So why not. lol.

I may go back to a newer 600RR, or at least test out a newer R6 to see how they feel.

I'm assuming no one has a bike like the 599, FZ8, or anything like that, right? I don't want to end up with 2 of the same 'kind' of bikes. Although the 600RR was completely different from the RC.

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Actually, I loved my 600RR. My beef with the Gixxers is just the sitting position.
I bought a wrecked 07 750 Gixxer and built it as a dedicated track day bike.
With aftermarket rear sets and a superbike seat/tail, it is agony on my old knees.
Changing to a supersport tail that uses the stock set, plus moving the pegs down to same as lowest OEM position will help.
I'm still going to track the 919 though, it's fun to toss about.

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SV650 makes a cheap track bike. Great for back roads carving. Won't have nearly the HP rush of the 600rr, but depends what you're looking for.

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Have you tried a supermoto? They're not sportbike-fast but they're a lotta fun on the track.

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YOu must be one of those guys that just needs somting new ride on a regular bassis.

Otherwise your situaton makes no sense at all. Why sell the 600rr? Its a great track bike and is very tolerable on road since it does have good midrange. For a 600.

Owning a 1000rr I can say I have had no oil issues. Niether did a friend of mine who had one. And his was broken in on the track as a race bike. I can also say itss an awsome engine no matter what its being used for. Top speed runs, track days, racing, or just comuting through town.

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Oh. And I agree with the SM idea. Great way to get cheap track time. Assuming you live near a kart track. One near me is ride as long as you can stand it for 15 bucks. Maybe its 20 now. Either way, cant get any cheaper track time than that.

And since dirt bikees were made to be crashed one can toss it across the payement all day long. No worries. And you leathers hold up longer since istead of skidding accross the payvment at 30mph instead of 130!

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I actually do regret selling the 600. It was a bad move on my part. And I chose the '06, since in my mind they perfected that 600 from the '03 (which, I also owned).

I also read that the '06-'07 1000RR's are near perfections, I'd love to take a spin on one.

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i vote motard as well... something different it sounds like what ur lookin for.

KTM 690 SMC, DRZ400 etc etc etc. cant recommend aprilla motards tho... know a guy who had blown 2 head gaskets in the first 4k miles on his 4.5

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If you just want something different and really fun look for a motard! But if you want to get onto the same tracks you've been riding then you should go with something over 600cc's. I had an XR650RR that I bored to 680 and did a lot of other stuff to and on more technical tracks there were almost no sport bikes that could hang with me including the instructors. I had a 400 and a lot of others had 450's and 525's but they were just too slow! On the bigger tracks I'd usually out perform them in the tight turns but then they'd walk away in the long straights. What was really fun though was if we'd come out of a turn together I'd walk away from them pretty quick until we'd get up to about 80mph then they'd go by me.
Here's a pretty crappy video sample;

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Ah damn.....no wife? You almost had the perfect setup.....sport tour comfy - 919, race 600rr, style/sound RC.......

I've had a couple supermotos.... KTM 625smc, XR650R, and a WR426....

They all were insane fun.....but got old after 3 summers. You pretty much either need to live by the tight stuff.....or ride around town like a jackass. Now......a supermoto as a 3rd or 4th bike?

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I guess a person could get by with just 3 bikes. (street, dual sport, and a 2 stroke dirt bike-preferably Orange)

Maybe try a 599. Uncork it, jet it, go pick on bigger "faster" bikes. Good fun.

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The 06 600RR is a highly refined 03. The 07-presant are the newest generation and they are vastly improved over the old model. Yes, it is a fantastic bike. I'd say awsome, but its getting long in the tooth now.

I vote 450 dirt bike with an extra set of wheels. One set knobbies, another set street tires. Don't have to get 17s unless you just have to have the coolest gear. The 21/18 will work great on a kart track also. Again, assuming you live near tight roads, or a kart track. In this senario you have two bikes in one. Either of which are the type of bike that don't get ridden much. So why have two collecting dust 90% of the time when you can have one collecting dust 80% of the time.

If you just have the need for speed and can't do an SM bike....then I cant make a suggestion. There is just too many to pic from and too many opinions about which is best. Any super sport will do. Be it a 600 or a 1000. Or 1200 twin. Or 1050/675 tripple. 850 twin....You get the point.

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I thought the 675's had oil issues? This is keeping me away from the newer 1000RR's as well.
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The CBR1000rr oil-burning issue was with the '08 model year only.
The engine is good, the problem is with the batch of oil control rings they were using.
The fix is to crack the engine, replace the rings, and pray the cylinder walls are not FUBAR'd from all the oil that passed.

I just wish Honda was handling this problem better. I have a friend who went ~35,000 miles on his '08 1000rr (in 2 years) before it started drinking oil. When it started, it did so with a vengeance; about 1 quart per 700 miles.
Since the exhaust was not the right color, Honda declined to fix it under warranty.

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I don't think I could do a sumo. As a 4th or 5th bike, like Brad said.

I've also been trying to keep myself away from another litre bike - I miss the easiness of riding a supersport.

Aye aye aye, those 1k Fireblades have really screwed some people over. I'm not cool with dishing out the $ for a 2010 or 2011 yet.

I guess I'm going to close my eyes and just pick a 600 out of the big 4.

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.....are you stuck on Honda? I've had my eye on the 2005 Kawasaki 636's......been seeing them in the $3500 range. Radial calipers/MC, slipper clutch, separate belly pan, good mid-range, decent suspension......and cheap! (silver/black.....please)


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lol I tried ganking a buddy of mine's battery out of his '06 zx6 track bike and said 'screw this'. There's a support beam going across the top of the freaking battery. I believe it's - lift the tank, remove the beam, remove the batt. Unless you get a 4/8 cell lightweight race battery.
I'm looking at an '04 600RR track bike - I'd need to slap some lights on there just to get some road love in.

I'm going to ride the RC hard this Saturday, then revisit this thread.

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.......a 600 racebike (with race plastics) with a couple bolt-on lights to make it street legal would be ALOT of fun.

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The RC was sold this week. :'(

I sold both sport bikes within the last month.

Spoke with the guy selling the track bike...I'm still on the fence about this. I'm hoping that the track bike can pull a double duty of track days, as well as the 'big boy' rides in the mountains.

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Ya know..... Race LEGAL Bike the 919 is not.... but with the right mods, the 919 will surprise you.

My frist track day of the year on the 919 --- I absolutely could not believe how well the bike held its own....... Only the last 3/4's of the way down the back straight of the track did I see ANY disadvantage --- and that little advantage I could take back by going in deep on the brakes.

Everywhere else on the track....the low end grunt of 919 absolutely kicked ass. I spent half the day dicing it with a rider on a new RSV4. No -- the 919 is no RSV.....I'm just saying that an O.k. rider on the 919 can really have alot of fun.

My only complaint with the bike....is that even the Renthal Ultra Lows on the track won't let you get low and over the tank......

---- My fix.......I have a set of 'TharBars' on order that should fix the issue.....if the tharbars weren't available..... I was going to buy a set of 43mm Woodcraft clip-ons.


I have to admit ---- the 919 was a fat, bad handling turd, when I bought it......but, between dropping as much weight off the bike as possible and redoing the suspension --- it has become quite the capable beast.

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... I have another trackday coming up in 3 weeks.... I'm hoping to get some more pictures to show the difference in riding position with the TharBars...


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Ya know..... Race LEGAL Bike the 919 is not.... but with the right mods, the 919 will surprise you.

My frist track day of the year on the 919 --- I absolutely could not believe how well the bike held its own....... Only the last 3/4's of the way down the back straight of the track did I see ANY disadvantage --- and that little advantage I could take back by going in deep on the brakes.

Everywhere else on the track....the low end grunt of 919 absolutely kicked ass. I spent half the day dicing it with a rider on a new RSV4. No -- the 919 is no RSV.....I'm just saying that an O.k. rider on the 919 can really have alot of fun.

My only complaint with the bike....is that even the Renthal Ultra Lows on the track won't let you get low and over the tank......

---- My fix.......I have a set of 'TharBars' on order that should fix the issue.....if the tharbars weren't available..... I was going to buy a set of 43mm Woodcraft clip-ons.


I have to admit ---- the 919 was a fat, bad handling turd, when I bought it......but, between dropping as much weight off the bike as possible and redoing the suspension --- it has become quite the capable beast.
arctic, how did the 919's braking system hold up for you on the track?

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Ya know..... Race LEGAL Bike the 919 is not.... but with the right mods, the 919 will surprise you.

My frist track day of the year on the 919 --- I absolutely could not believe how well the bike held its own....... Only the last 3/4's of the way down the back straight of the track did I see ANY disadvantage --- and that little advantage I could take back by going in deep on the brakes.

Everywhere else on the track....the low end grunt of 919 absolutely kicked ass. I spent half the day dicing it with a rider on a new RSV4. No -- the 919 is no RSV.....I'm just saying that an O.k. rider on the 919 can really have alot of fun.

My only complaint with the bike....is that even the Renthal Ultra Lows on the track won't let you get low and over the tank......

---- My fix.......I have a set of 'TharBars' on order that should fix the issue.....if the tharbars weren't available..... I was going to buy a set of 43mm Woodcraft clip-ons.


I have to admit ---- the 919 was a fat, bad handling turd, when I bought it......but, between dropping as much weight off the bike as possible and redoing the suspension --- it has become quite the capable beast.
As I've been saying, a 919 can be hustled around !
Sounds like you had a riot.
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arctic, how did the 919's braking system hold up for you on the track?
We have one hard braking point on our track here in Calgary.
The 919 is doing 135 + before hauling down to a 3 rd gear turn.
Brakes are not a problem, although I have done pads.
In fact, I find myself passing some of the slower SuperSport 600s on the brakes - which obviously should not be happening. That said just to underscore that the 919 brakes really do brake !

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arctic, how did the 919's braking system hold up for you on the track?
Excellent! With what's left.

I'm running RC51 calipers, Vesrah Pads, Galfer steel lines, and a 19mm GSXR radial mount M/C.

System was around $200 used on EBay.......




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... I have another trackday coming up in 3 weeks.... I'm hoping to get some more pictures to show the difference in riding position with the TharBars...

After trying both, I found I actually do better on my hornet than on an RR-type sportsbike. I'd ride my hornet all the time at the track if I didn't always worry about the cost of repairs if I went down. Which is why I got a sumo. Cheap to run on track, cheap to repair if I crash...which I have. Hardly any damage. I' hate to think what I'd have to fix if it was the hornet.

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I agree.....I haven't put the 919 down yet.....but I can't imagine it turning out well......at least a bike with full plastics can slide.

On the bright side.....I have a trackday tail and dented tank.....with the good stuff brand new in the garage.

My biggest concern is how the frame & engine would hold up to an impact.




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It crashes just fine. I tosssed mine into the gravel at the end of the back straight at midOH. Pulled a few clumps of sod off of here and rode her home. Thers a big difference between what you NEED to fix and what you WANT to fix.

Get a good set of frame sliders than mount to the frame. Keep some spare levers handy and you should be good to go.

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Great to hear she held up well to being binned.....

...think I have the spares covered.... 2 sets of wheels, 2 tanks, 2 tails, 2 sets of TharBars, 2 sets of Pazzo's, Circuit1 Engine cases...... (I still have a couple more things to pick up like a set of R&G bar end sliders and an Exhaust canister slider)

LOL ---- not trying to crash...... I just know better and shi% happens when you're doing trackdays.....

.... I've decided to run the dented tank for fun...... I like coming up with stupid stories when people ask.....

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Drop the "to fix", then ask our kids how many times they heard that line from Mom & Dad

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So with a curve ball, I'm picking up an '08 R6 with 0 miles. Currently in the process of obtaining it - I have to trailer it home whenever the weather lightens up around here.

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R6 will make a mighty fine track bike.

If you look at the grids and most club races they are packed with R6 of many generations.

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At our local track, Grattan Raceway --- that bike is the bike of choice..........

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