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Stupid inspections....

Damn PA is starting to enforce their poorly written inspection rules...My bike (which should pass with flying colors) has officially "failed" the inspection due to the fact that I have an integrated taillight....the law which they are heavily enforcing now states that the rear blinkers MUST be at least 14 inches apart AAARRRGGGGHHH....and yet they teach hand signals in MSF classes.




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Mother of Pittsburgh that sucks !
Yeah just a little....said F-it so far and have been riding with a bad inspection....need to be like NJ, they just got rid of all their inspections on bikes.




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That sucks, I'm surprised the Socialist Republic of California hasn't gotten around to this yet


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While I feel your anguish about the all intrusive government adding grief to your existence I can't help, but feel a slight amount of amusement from your plight as it is self-created...

Personally I like my street bikes to have fenders and OEM turn signals as I find they work much better at keeping both rain water and Law Enforcement Officers off my back. If a cop is looking for an excuse to pull you over then improperly placed license plates or turn indicators etc is just all too easy for them...

I don't give them any ammo...






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You need to find someone who is cool and inspect it anyway. If not, install some Temp blinkers.

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While I feel your anguish about the all intrusive government adding grief to your existence I can't help, but feel a slight amount of amusement from your plight as it is self-created...

Personally I like my street bikes to have fenders and OEM turn signals as I find they work much better at keeping both rain water and Law Enforcement Officers off my back. If a cop is looking for an excuse to pull you over then improperly placed license plates or turn indicators etc is just all too easy for them...

I don't give them any ammo...






Oh I hear ya brother, 110% of my doing...funny thing though is my plate is highly visable, maybe more so than the stock location. Rain does though paint a nice wet stripe up my back




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I have to agree with LDH on this one, the intergrated turn signals might as well not exist. Some of those integrated lights might as well not even be directional, since I usually cant tell the difference anyways.

Its the typical downgrade from stock, to whatever is hip at the time. Same with the fender. Whoever claims it does nothing at all so why not just remove it, does not ride in the rain, or had their mouth installed on the wrong end.

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That sucks, I'm surprised the Socialist Republic of California hasn't gotten around to this yet

ya kno me too... with the HUGE population of squids literally running their FULL track bikes on the streets... im talkin non DOT tires, NO lights what so ever, almost open exhausts (this is an extreme case but i have seen this WAY more than i would like)... to the guys with like single led blinkers that you can hardly see and license plates tucked so far up almost infront of the rear tire its crazy....

myself i like the close to stock look but i do run led blinkers that are mounted a good 12in apart... as well as my tail lights acting like blinkers as well.

needless to say i could see cali some time down the road wanting to inspect bikes.... this is why im keepin all my smog shit that i took off haha.


i say just make some temp brackets and remount the stock blinkers.

btw... i have cut my tail (not nearly as much as some)... but seems as how i dont ride in the rain here in so cal... theres not much of a point to it haha.

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I put in the Custom LED and still left my blinkers attached. I like the increased visibility.

They both blink at the same time; very visible.

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My nephew lives in PA. He brought his truck back to Kentucky to sell so he didn't have to have an inspection.

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My nephew lives in PA. He brought his truck back to Kentucky to sell so he didn't have to have an inspection.
You mean James is your son and I'm now your nephew?? Heya Uncle Jim!




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If Honda hadn't used the same turn signals on the 919 that arrived on the scene for the 1984 Interceptor, I might be more inclined to agree.

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They are just turn signals not a fashion statement. I guess you have to ask yourself what is more important? Keeping the cops off your ass and being able to get your state inspections done or having cool looking turn signals in the parking lot of Hooters on Wednesday night...

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Yeah just a little....said F-it so far and have been riding with a bad inspection....need to be like NJ, they just got rid of all their inspections on bikes.
Yes, the inspection process is no longer required, but you can still be pulled over and cited for not following the motor vehicle code in Jersey. My '06 has the integrated tail/stop light & directional signals. It passed in 2010 just before inspection was no longer required.

No helmet law in Pa, but directional signals must be 14 inches apart?

Time to call the legislators in Harrisburg.


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Just pick up some late model CBR signals (that are also on the CB1000R). They look way better than the stockers and unlike integrated signals, cars actually notice them.


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While I feel your anguish about the all intrusive government adding grief to your existence I can't help, but feel a slight amount of amusement from your plight as it is self-created...

Personally I like my street bikes to have fenders and OEM turn signals as I find they work much better at keeping both rain water and Law Enforcement Officers off my back. If a cop is looking for an excuse to pull you over then improperly placed license plates or turn indicators etc is just all too easy for them...

I don't give them any ammo...





Oh yeah right LD so you run an almost straight pipe on your GSXR! That's compliant?

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Just pick up some late model CBR signals (that are also on the CB1000R). They look way better than the stockers and unlike integrated signals, cars actually notice them.
this sounds like it's coming from someone who hasn't seen a custom led intergrated signal......

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Looking at that Suzuki you posted, Suzuki doesn't agree with you.

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Oh yeah right LD so you run an almost straight pipe on your GSXR! That's compliant?

It has nothing to do with being compliant it is all about perception. I have never been pulled over or even looked at for noise violations. Why? because I am not a jackass revving up my motogp exhaust trying to get attention from everyone in a 3 block radius.

I do however know of several riders in various states who have been pulled over for improper license plate display and/or indicators or even license plate light and then further cited for having an illegal exhaust too. We stand out enough on these bikes and a hard enough time gaining public acceptance as it is. Giving LEO's legitimate reasons to cite you is just not smart. My preference of an aftermarket exhaust is a performance related item. Changing out turn signals simply is not.

By Federal law it is illegal to change your DOT approved blinkers or swap out your Federal Emissions stamped exhaust for another that is not identically stamped etc... That is also the reason why most other manufacturers went to flush mount blinkers on their bikes while Honda continued to use dated designs because Honda had already paid for the original DOT approval on those old designs and didn't want to pay more for testing and DOT Approval of a new design. All comes down to money and how much profit they want to make.

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My inspection station gave me a hard time about my rear led turn signals that are built in to my fender eliminator. I'm not looking forward to my next inspection now that I have flush mounts on the front. The PA inspection stations are feeling it a bit more lately from the state. I know that mine had just received a letter telling them exactly where they can place the sticker on the forks.

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Just pick up some late model CBR signals (that are also on the CB1000R). They look way better than the stockers and unlike integrated signals, cars actually notice them.

Are the bases, wires the same as stock 9ers?

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Damn PA is starting to enforce their poorly written inspection rules...My bike (which should pass with flying colors) has officially "failed" the inspection due to the fact that I have an integrated taillight....the law which they are heavily enforcing now states that the rear blinkers MUST be at least 14 inches apart AAARRRGGGGHHH....and yet they teach hand signals in MSF classes.

Technically, they're right. That's the US DOT specification. Unless otherwise waivered by DOT, that's technically how it has to be to be US road legal. Some states don't bother with that; apparently PA does actually care. Texas says if you have turn signals installed, they have to work; if you don't have them installed they don't care - placement is not specified. The inspection stations accept integrated taillights just fine here.

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That sucks, I'm surprised the Socialist Republic of California hasn't gotten around to this yet
California doesn't care if your car doesn't have working headlights, taillights, the doors are falling off and the bumper is loosely attached pendant-style on bailing wire supports. They just care that you're not hurting Gaia (i.e., they only care about your emissions).

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If Honda hadn't used the same turn signals on the 919 that arrived on the scene for the 1984 Interceptor, I might be more inclined to agree.
I have an 86 CB700SC which came with the same turn signals as the 84 Interceptor. No, the 919's stock signals are NOT the same as the 80s Hondas. They're closer but not identical to the late 90s Nighthawk 750's.

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If Honda hadn't used the same turn signals on the 919 that arrived on the scene for the 1984 Interceptor, I might be more inclined to agree.
There I also have to agree with you. The stock 919 indicators are hideous! I managed to buy four 2nd hand cbr indicators and mounted them on my 919 instead. Looks 100% better imo.
I have to say that I looked into the integrated indicators/stoplight conversion, but decided against it. IMO it is very hard to see what actually is happening and I want to be very clear to motorist about my intentions when I am turning or not. IMO the integrated tail light/indicators are not adequate enough, but that's just my opinion.

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It has nothing to do with being compliant it is all about perception. I have never been pulled over or even looked at for noise violations. Why? because I am not a jackass revving up my motogp exhaust trying to get attention from everyone in a 3 block radius.
How very true. I cannot understand idiots that draw more negative attention to themselves (and to all of us for that matter), by riding a vehicle that already attracts attention, in a anti-social manner around the suburbs (revving, loud exhausts).
That's one of the reasons I left my stock exhausts on my 919. Where we ride out in the sticks there are "life style" blocks. So typically Yuppies that move out there for peace and tranquility to get away from the city. These types are very quick to pick up the phone to the local police and complain about bikers whizzing past at what must be 300km/h. Why make it harder for ourselves than it already is by drawing negative attention?

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Farab: Check out the *sequential* integrated ones, those make it pretty clear what rider's intent is.

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Though you may choose not to risk it. For a few (weak) reasons, I decided not to register my car when I moved to TX and leave the Florida tags on it.
I decided I would trade my car in for something new the day I got popped for illegal tags.

Months came and went, driving all over the state, into Oklahoma and even Arkansas with the car. A year goes by, no ticket. A few glances, a few times where I was fairly certain I was being followed, but nothing.

18 months into it, I am pulled over for speeding, today is the day I think to myself. 70 in a 55, speeding ticket, no ticket for expired tags! I decide my journey with illegal tags will continue.

2 years and 2 months later, I move from Texas to Maryland. Surely my cross country drive will get me pulled over and cited.
Nothing.

As I settle in to Maryland I decide my journey will continue with my illegal FLORIDA tags that are now almost 3 years expired.
I am commuting a minimum of 60 miles a day in Maryland. Nothing.

2 years in Maryland, nothing. Dammit this car is getting old and I want a new one but now it is a matter of pride. Not pulled over = no new car.
At 2 years 6 months of driving in Maryland my mother in law comes to town for a 2 month visit. I will be on my bike most days so she will be driving my car. Not wanting to her to become part of my expirement, I relent and tag my car with Maryland plates.

This car went from Houston to NYC and logged 5 years and 100,000 miles with expired tags before I elected to register it.

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*** To really up the Ante- Both Texas and Maryland have front license plates where Florida does not. I was rolling on a single expired tag, I didn't even have a pair in states that required it!

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i think the best thing was in my truck.... 01 chevy... bought it in 01. never ran the front license plate as it would get hung up on your pant leg when walking by the front of the truck.... went 7 yrs without any problems from the LEO's.... i go to college one day and park backing into a spot... and get a parking ticket for not having a parking pass (35 dollar ticket) as well as not having a front license plate....(45 bucks) ... bastard meter maid had to walk their ass around the back of the truck to get at the license plate.... so i ended up poppin on the front license plate having an officer sign off on it and got it reduced to 10 bucks for the license plate part.


and like someone else stated.... theres a reason why ill probably never run anything else besides the stock exhaust on my 919... its so quiet and stealthy it just doesn't draw attention... its def saved me on a few occasions.... and all the led blinkers i have are legal by the book (minus dot approval... but w/e) and i have modded my tail / running lights in the tail light to be blinkers as well.

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I gotta agree with LDH on this one, sorta. I believe the stock signals on bikes are ugly but there are plenty of aftermarket signals that look good and are still fully functional.

I agree that the integrated taillight/turn signal should be illegal to even buy..why? have you ever driven behind a bike with them installed, you can barely notice the brake light once the signal is on..and it's these same people who whine and bitch when they get rear ended by somebody because they simply can't see the lights at all. Same goes for the flush mount turn signals....absolutely useless.

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I have to say that I looked into the integrated indicators/stoplight conversion, but decided against it. IMO it is very hard to see what actually is happening and I want to be very clear to motorist about my intentions when I am turning or not. IMO the integrated tail light/indicators are not adequate enough, but that's just my opinion.
hey Farab, you should look into the custom led intergrated set up if you ever reconsider, they are very awesome and i'm very happy with mine. i noticed a huge difference between the custom led intergrated and the clear alt. unit. for my bike i went all leds front and rear with watsens up front and rizomas on the rear along with the custom led intergrated unit for maximum visibility while looking great.

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I agree that the integrated taillight/turn signal should be illegal to even buy..why? have you ever driven behind a bike with them installed, you can barely notice the brake light once the signal is on..and it's these same people who whine and bitch when they get rear ended by somebody because they simply can't see the lights at all. Same goes for the flush mount turn signals....absolutely useless.
epicsoldier, i disagree 100% here regarding intergrated units being illegal. there's a difference between a high quality unit and a cheap unit. i agree the cheap units indeed should be illegal for the visibility is terrible! a high quality unit is very bright and works very well, i've seen this on many bikes to great effect. likewise i've seen many cheap and/or low quality units be worse than stock and those people should seriously reconsider.

as for your comment regarding front flush mount signals, i disagree with you here as well. again, quality is the key. if they're cheap ebay units then yeah they're worthless. rizoma's work pretty well from what i've seen but i think the best are the watsens, they're brighter than stock, more crisp output and they draw attention to the bike. they are very expensive though and you get what you pay for.

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Farab: Check out the *sequential* integrated ones, those make it pretty clear what rider's intent is.
again, i disagree with you CB700s and will continue to disagree with you. i had the clear alt. unit and it sucked. they are not clear and in broad daylight 50 feet back, you cant see em worth a damn in the sun. i would not recommend them to ANYONE and highly advise anyone who currently uses it to swap out back to stock or look into another alternative. the clear alt. units are garbage. in fact, i still have mine which i need to put up for sale for "cheap" remember, you get what you pay for.

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In Arizona, turn signals arent even required. All you need is a headlight, Tail/brakelight,one mirror and a horn. They even allow rubber bicycle horns. Thats all that was needed to make my XR600R legal back in 1993. I dont think anything has changed. We're still pretty much the "Wild West" in Az. I wouldnt have it any other way.

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Are the bases, wires the same as stock 9ers?
Yes with one exception. If you have a pre-2004 model, the connectors for the front (inside the headlight bucket) are bullet style versus the little plastic connector.

I have a 2003 and got my signals from a 2009 CBR600RR. The rear plugged in with no issues at all. I had to modify the front with little bullet-style connectors but that was an easy fix.

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I think I'm going to start back at square one....anybody have an ugly old rear shovel they want to get rid of? I have the CA integrated unit (mines actually pretty bright). To get an inspection I feel stock would be the best thing for now.




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From a safety perspective I think that the main failing of the integrated is the relative difficulty that an uninformed cager has in decerning that it is indeed a signal and whether it is left or right.

Another consideration is that stock-type signals offer additional reflective points in the dark. We are hard enough to see from behind in the dark and any bit of help is worthwhile. Note that I am a hypocrite because I have not yet found a new reflector around the plate area to replace the stock one that I lost when cutting four inches off the fender (after raising the plate mount 1.5 inches).


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BTW - several weeks ago the LOE were citing riders for "no mudflaps" amongst other things. The guys getting nailed had zero fenders. Slightly shortened fenders like mine were left alone.

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Yes with one exception. If you have a pre-2004 model, the connectors for the front (inside the headlight bucket) are bullet style versus the little plastic connector.

I have a 2003 and got my signals from a 2009 CBR600RR. The rear plugged in with no issues at all. I had to modify the front with little bullet-style connectors but that was an easy fix.
fyi.... all years of 919's had bullet style up in the front. my 04 does.

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My 07 doesn't have bullet connectors. It has regular ones thane the CBR signals plugged right in.

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you need to stop bashing CA taillights. I have had both the intergrated and the sequentil and both were bright enough to be seen in daylight. If your CA taillight is so bad why endanger someone elses life and just throw it away.

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My 07 doesn't have bullet connectors. It has regular ones thane the CBR signals plugged right in.
on the fronts as well? interesting... wonder what year they changed the fronts.... maybe they changed em on the 04... its been so long since i did my front blinkers, but im pretty sure they were bullets stock.

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Square connectors on my 04 too, one set was orange and the other was green, can't remember which color was on the front.


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you need to stop bashing CA taillights. I have had both the intergrated and the sequentil and both were bright enough to be seen in daylight. If your CA taillight is so bad why endanger someone elses life and just throw it away.
no, i dont need to stop bashing ca. it's my perspective/opinion, and you have to remember that i'm Deaf, which means i'm going to notice things more visually than the average person will. i notice a big difference between the c.a. units and the custom led units by looking at the brake/turn signal lights reflecting back to me on the back side of signs, the reaction times of people coming up behind me while i'm stopped, and having my fiancee drive behind me on numerous occasions (she's a certified interpreter for the Deaf), as well as took brief videos for comparisons when i was playing with different light combos.

so there you have it. c.a. units suck compared to a higher quality unit. if someone wants maximum visibility with an intergrated unit, they need to pass over the c.a. units because they simply dont dont deliver.

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