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post #1 of 25 Old 05-13-2017, 12:25 PM Thread Starter
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Obsolete part.

Another part of our beloved hornet becomes obsolete. It's only a little part, the gear lever tie rod bolt. I ordered some gear lever parts from partzilla a month ago. Rubber dust seal, covers etc and thought I'd get a new tie rod as mine is looking rough. It wasn't in stock and I was told the tie rod bolt was on national backorder. Yesterday got an email saying sorry that part is now obsolete. I'm going to get a length of 6mm stainless rod and cut thread on each end. Make my own.

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post #2 of 25 Old 05-13-2017, 02:38 PM
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My prior bike is a CB700S only made from 84~86 and it's dam hard to find anything for it. It's pretty much down to eBay and CL. It sucks, because the old classics are some of the greats.

Not going to be easy to think of my 919 as an old classic.

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Is there a bike wrecker on your island? I picked up a replacement for cheap that way - might be easier for you than cutting a rod with one lh and one rh thread...

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Kiwi I will give the wreckers a call on Monday. Past experience has taught me they are mostly pirates. I can get a 2006mm rod for a few $ off flea bay. I have right hand die set. Will probably get a left hand 6mm die from china, ebay, again a few $, or borrow one. Shouldn't be a hard cut, I'll do it by hand in a bench vise. At least it will be stainless. I've brought stainless lock nuts as well. The zinc was going on mine. Thanks mate.

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Hello!

The 90065-KR3-000 ? it cannot be obsolete yet. That part is also used on the CMX250 (2007 to 2015)

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Dario. Partzilla lists the cb900 hornets gear lever tie rod bolt with part number 90065-MCZ-640. I'll bet it's a different length than the one for the CMX250. It might match. There could be one from another model or bike that matches.

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Will probably get a left hand 6mm die from china, ebay, again a few $, or borrow one. Shouldn't be a hard cut, I'll do it by hand in a bench vise. At least it will be stainless.
Yeah fair enough. If it works out, make a spare and I'll buy it off you - mine's as scruffy as...

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No worries Kiwi. I'll knock out a couple. Cheers mate.

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Dario. Partzilla lists the cb900 hornets gear lever tie rod bolt with part number 90065-MCZ-640. I'll bet it's a different length than the one for the CMX250. It might match. There could be one from another model or bike that matches.
Check on the CB919 2007 and the part number is 90065-KR3-000

Link here: Honda Motorcycle Parts 2007 CB900F A PEDAL Diagram

I'm almost sure that the part is the same. The difference between a 2002 and a 2007 is the front suspension and the catalytic converter.

part: 90065-KR3-000 BOLT, TIE ROD $7.19

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Hey thanks Dario. Yep I reckon they are the same. Stupid part numbers. Thanks mate.

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I bit the bullet and brought some stainless rod. I'll make my own. Partzilla have already shipped my order. Besides for the price of one zinc plated OEM tie rod I can make half a dozen stainless ones. I'll let ya's know how I go.

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I hope he knows that one end has a left hand thread. Don't know what he's going to do with 6 tie rods, either.

I would think as long as you have a tie rod that was close to the correct length, you could go one notch, either way, on the spline, and be good.

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Gday sniper. Yeah I know one end has a left hand thread. I brought a left hand die to cut this in. I also brought 600mm 6mm stainless rod and a handful of stainless left and right thread 6mm nuts. All for less than one OEM tie rod. I got extra rod incase I stuff up.
The tie rod that is on my bike looks like crap. Most of the zinc is gone. I had ordered a bunch of little parts online from Partzilla. I waited a month then got an email saying part was obsolete and that order had shipped. No time given to find a replacement. I was going to have to buy another rod and pay shipping on just it. This was just the best and cheapest way round. In the end I'll end up with a couple of stainless tie rods for about the same price.

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Resurrecting this thread briefly as I've had cause to examine this.


There are other differences between 02s and 07s than just the front suspension and midpipe - there were a number of part revisions too, such as the revised instrument cluster and some bodywork part changes (see tank and tail thread). In addition to that, Honda changed the color/finish of a number of parts - where the 02 had bright silver or bright chromed parts, the 04+ bikes had dark silver, dark gray or black chromed parts, such as on engine cases and other cosmetics. I just looked at this picture of the 90065-KR3-000 mentioned above.






Checking the one on my 02, at first glance it looks like the lengths are similar enough so I'm going to guess that the parts are likely going to be identical except the 07's tie rod may be black chromed (or other industrial coated/finished) instead of the 02's bright finish. I am not at all certain as I have seen pictures indicating that it is also bright chrome, or that it is black painted - so I will order one to compare when my local dealer opens this morning in order that we may know what Honda is currently offering.

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I brought one for my 02 bike, it was identical.

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Islandboy,

Hey! I hope all is well in your world!! On the shift rod... I had one give me some trouble and I ended up getting parts to make the rod from the folks at Power Commander. They offer different lengths rods for the shift assist they sell. You may be able to request an exact length to match your stock rod. The LH thread die I purchased to make one was $50.00 just by itself. The rod may be less than that. Just an idea...

And excuse to say hey!

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Gday Mark. Worst summer on record for me in regards to honey production. Too cold, too windy and too dry. But my bees are still alive and I will still make honey/money. Just no new motorbikes this year.
Everything else is great. Nice to hear from you.
I learnt the hard way that it's a bitch to cut thread on stainless rod. I did end up with one on the third attempt. I also brought a brand new 07 rod. Which turned out identical to the 02 rod.
My preferred rearset's are Sato ones and come with there own shift rod.

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Gday Mark. Worst summer on record for me in regards to honey production. Too cold, too windy and too dry. But my bees are still alive and I will still make honey/money. Just no new motorbikes this year.
Everything else is great. Nice to hear from you.
I learnt the hard way that it's a bitch to cut thread on stainless rod. I did end up with one on the third attempt. I also brought a brand new 07 rod. Which turned out identical to the 02 rod.
My preferred rearset's are Sato ones and come with there own shift rod.
Sad to hear about the apiculturist difficulties.
At least you still have hives, that produce, and you can sell!
Amazing stuff it is, that's for sure!
The honey that is.

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Thanks for the kind words mcromo. Now I feel guilty about that honey I never sent. Hehe!
I look at it like this. If we didnt have bad years we would never have good ones. At least we had no bushfires.
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Thanks for the kind words mcromo. Now I feel guilty about that honey I never sent. Hehe!
I look at it like this. If we didnt have bad years we would never have good ones. At least we had no bushfires.
Oh oh oh, those fires.
Terrible......................

Past that, you've been very busy lately.
Relax...............

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I brought one for my 02 bike, it was identical.

Not that I didn't believe you, but I tend to want to verify that sort of thing myself. Fortunately, I'm in a position to do so. Turns out they're practically but not literally identical - at least not in as-last-supplied condition.


I happen to own what I believe is one of the last supplied 90065-MCZ-640s. I also was able to order a 90065-KR3-000 from my friendly local dealer.




As you can see, the two rods are the same length.



Here's the comparison with the 90065-KR3-000 out of its package.



And with them both out of their packages:


90065-MCZ-640 is on top, 90065-KR3-000 on bottom. Looks like the MCZ has a brighter chrome finish, but wasn't polished (or at least, not much) so it's more of a matte. The KR3 has a darker chrome finish but it's been fully polished and is quite smooth. Otherwise they appear identical.

No idea why Honda hasn't just officially superceded the part from the MCZ part to the KR3 off the later 919s (and the CMX250).

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I'm not sure either is galvanized, though.

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Maybe different types of zinc plating?

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Maybe different types of zinc plating?

Or different types of chrome. The newer part definitely has the feel of a polished chrome job.


I guarantee that if I ever put either of these into service on my bike I'd get them powdercoated first and use lots of antiseize on the threads.

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