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New CB1000 retro look.

Looks like next year's CB1000 has a retro look. I like it.

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Getting closer, round headlight is a definatly an improvement


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Round head light does look better. I never did like the insect/transformer look of the current model. I also prefer the doublesided swingarm on this one. I think the picture is a computer mock up and is based on leaked info.

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I hate the front end insect look so a nice simple round headlight is great to see.
But I think they need to do a bit more work on it.
Weird to me is a kinda motocrossy looking fuel tank side view that is wedded to a tail section very akin to the late 70s into early 80s 4 valve 750 SS, 900 SS and 1100 SS.
I like the tail section treatment, but that fuel tank needs some creative help.

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I don't like the fuel tank side either. Worse case senerio it's some air induction and can't be removed or modified. Keep the retro look simple and clean, like the hornets I reckon.

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That is an awesome looking computer generated image of a motorcycle, that Honda does not have the balls to build.

Honda quit doing awesome. Now they do heavy, detuned, automatic transmission, traction controlled, ABS, Grom/Scooter/Slugs. Honestly, l don't know why they even build motorcycles anymore.

Honda, if you are listening (and l know they are not) if you build a motorcycle like the above image, and it weighs less than 450 pounds full of fuel, it makes 130+ hp, l will buy one. Mesnwhile, l am going to return to reality, and take my Super Duke for a ride.

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This is too much of a mix, the engine/rims/rake are all good, but the lines are all wrong, seat too short, sharp edges don't work for me. A modern version of the 919 would be great, but we've seen sharp lines in the 80's cars and I didn't like them, rounded lines are better, more classic. This comes off as a mixup classic/modern.

The seat area is almost dirt-bike looking in it's style, I'd like 'Corbin' look a bit more. It kinda looks like a dirt bike placed on top of the engine/frame/forks/tires of a standard. Just doesn't work.
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This is too much of a mix, the engine/rims/rake are all good, but the lines are all wrong, seat too short, sharp edges don't work for me. A modern version of the 919 would be great, but we've seen sharp lines in the 80's cars and I didn't like them, rounded lines are better, more classic. This comes off as a mixup classic/modern.

The seat area is almost dirt-bike looking in it's style, I'd like 'Corbin' look a bit more. It kinda looks like a dirt bike placed on top of the engine/frame/forks/tires of a standard. Just doesn't work.


You'd never catch me on a bike like that!
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You'd never catch me on a bike like that!
What year is your Duke?

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The Super Duke is an 08. Bought used.

$6500+tax. No mods other than a pair of swingarm spools, and a tank protector.

It developed a wiring problem shortly after l got it. It was still under warranty. Got fixed during the off season. I had the valves checked at 20,000 miles. They were all fine.

Probably the cheapest, most trouble free bike l have ever owned. Definately the most comfortable.
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Looks like the proper successor to the 919. One nice long review:


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[QUOTE=ewmin3m;1334090]Looks like the proper successor to the 919. One nice long review:

What a fantastic bike. I really do want to buy one, one day.
That guy said it would massage your soul!
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Looks good, I can see a lot of the 919 in there. Can't believe Honda dug out a pair of USD forks, must have killed them to do it.
The front is an improvement, still could do with beefier/business like looks (in front). Similar to the 919, the rest of the bike has beautiful "business like" proportions, but the front end looks "alone" up there. (look at the MT10 & the BMW S1000R).
So price wise, I wonder if it will come under or at least compete with the BMW and the Yamaha?

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Serious bike with a steel frame.
Rather intriguing.
It would need an exhaust on it though, that can looks awful.
A nice titanium Akra' or equal would nicely do the job.
Passenger post looks like a day trip at best type.
I wonder if they will come to Canada, and if so, be priced at what level, and will they still have the weenie signal lights.

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I like it. It looks like they've addressed a number of the things some of us didn't like on the previous version. I could see getting one someday.

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Looks like next year's CB1000 has a retro look. I like it.

https://www.google.com.au/url?sa=t&s...AUbKEkCH8wqUtA
WOW thanks! now I have drool all over my keyboard. LOL Beautiful bike. I had a 78 750 then went to KZ1000's, then came the Hurricane! had the lil 600 and the 1000.

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I've got more than drool on my keyboard!
That is a sexy honda four and I would love to get my hands on one.
Since I've only had my 900 hornet for a couple of years, I'm happy to wait a few years before getting the CB1000, neo cafe. Might be a few good second hand ones about then. I wonder how long they will be in production?
Also might be best to wait until all the kinks get ironed out. There's always a few.
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I was looking at the preliminary spec's for the bike and it looks like it's lighter than the CB650F. I really like the look of the machine but I was worried about another 500 lb motorcycle. Looks like that may not be the case at all. Time to start saving!! Time to start figuring out how to convince the CFO that I "need" that motorcycle!

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Also might be best to wait until all the kinks get ironed out. There's always a few.
Not a bad idea...although being Honda, it will be "existing" running gear that has already been tried and tested.

https://www.motorcyclenews.com/news/...honda-cb1000r/

So going from that the price in the UK is 13K (the top model to compete with the S1000R and MT-10 (heated grips, quick shifter))

So:

13K for the Honda CB1000R

11K for the BMW S1000R

11.3K for the Yamaha MT-10

1.43 USD = 1 GBP or 1.8 CAD = 1 GBP,


Just comparing prices in the same market (the UK market), the Honda is way more expensive.

I am just assuming, from what I have briefly read, that the BMW and the Yamaha, seem to have way more technology than the Honda. No surprises in the money vs competitor department then... Just astonishing when a BMW is cheaper than a Honda.

IMO, pricing is the reason that the 2008 - CB1000R failed in NZ. It was "stupidly" priced, at one stage double than the outgoing 919. If you were objective about it, there was no justification for buying the CB1R compared to the 919, other than looks and a single sided swing-arm. Performance wise, nearly no difference.

I'd love to have one one day, but price & performance wise, if I were looking for a new naked, I'd go with the BMW.
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13k is pretty expensive though :-/ for such an old engine :P

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Yep like every other big honda that has come out. Overpriced. They come down in price over time. And after a couple of years good condition second hand will become available.
I'm happy to wait, read reviews and drool a bit.

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There is a lot going on with that exhaust system underneath, wtf is that box that the 4 into 2 runs into? Some sort of gigantic catalyst? Well that's going to be fun to get rid of.
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Good confirmation on Honda repeating mistakes from the past, too overpriced for the current market ie won't be very successful which won't incentivize them to improve it:



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I'm a little disappointed that it only makes 120 odd hp at the rear wheel.

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It would be interesting to see sales numbers on it.

It was on my short list (of 3 bikes) when getting a new bike last October. Went with one of the others.

The two that were at dealerships near me are still there.

Wonder how many they are selling.

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I'm a little disappointed that it only makes 120 odd hp at the rear wheel.
Yea, that's pretty dissapointing... my 636 track bike makes more than that...

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I'm most disappointed about how it makes maybe 5 more hp than the outgoing cb1000r but makes like 15 ft/lbs less torque from idle up until like 7k rpms

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I test rode a 2019 CB1000R at Americade this past week. I love the look of the CB1000R, the fit and finish is excellent. Here are my thoughts on the bike after a 45min demo, pretty conservative riding but they let us open the bikes up a bit on the highway. The ride position is more aggressive than the 919, you're leaned more forward and foot pegs higher up. Reminds me of my old F4i, not supersport aggressive, but not totally upright either. The throttle by wire is silky smooth. The power is intense. At least compared to the 919 its a beast. Power wheelies in first and second if you sneeze. I was impressed with how powerful it is, even in standard mode. A lot of dynos posted online show a flat spot mid range, honestly I didn't notice it. Can't comment on suspension, they don't let you change the suspension settings in any way during the demo and I'm pretty sure my demo had crappy tires.

As much as I wanted to love this bike, and was looking forward to getting it within a year or so, I have the same complaint as the moto journalist in the above video review. The vibration is very noticeable. All over the rev range, even on idle. I was really surprised by this. Neither my current 919, F4i, or 600rr had this vibration issue. It's quite annoying. I'm surprised that a 2019 honda motorcycle would vibrate so much more than my 16 year old 919. The vibration combined with the aggressive riding position would make this bike very difficult to ride on anything longer than short trips. And I felt the vibration everywhere, not just the hand controls, but pegs and even my thighs. Weird, maybe the demo I rode was just prone to vibration, or I'm spoiled by the 919. But many other reviews I watched mention the vibration as well. It was pretty difficult to enjoy riding the bike while dealing with the vibration. I was disappointed.

I also demo'ed the 2019 Yamaha Tracer 900 GT, and I really liked it. I found the windscreen to be very effective, so much so that I didn't get any relief from the heat. I would seriously consider getting the Tracer as my next bike. The low end torque on that triple is really fun and it's a more practical option for me. Same price as CB1000r comes with heated grips, luggage, windscreen, riding position I can ride all day on, and that CP3 motor was very enjoyable.
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Thanks for your review.
I'm still determined to get one. But I do want to test ride one first. Bad vibes could be a deal breaker.
Hopefully Honda sorts some things out. No centre stand either.

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The Kawasaki Z900RS is a great lookin bike.
I intend on buying a new bike in a year or two. I swing between the CB1000R and the Z900RS.
Maybe take some dealer bikes for a ride one day. Back to back.

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To ride a 990 Super Duke is like forever being on the rumble strip. Maybe not that bad, but you get the idea. Oddly enough, I can ignore the vibration most of the time. I wonder how I'd get along with the new CB1000R? My 848 Streetfighter doesn't vibe nearly as much as the KTM.

If I was going to get a new 4 cylinder Jap bike, it be that Kawie 900RS. Every review I've ever seen of that 900, they go on and on about what a great bike that is. But if you think about it, the Kawie is just a good looking 919 with a very decent suspention.

When I was at Deals Gap a few weeks ago, I didn't see a single CB1000, nor Kawie 900RS. Saw several Yamaha FZ09s, tho.

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To ride a 990 Super Duke is like forever being on the rumble strip. Maybe not that bad, but you get the idea. Oddly enough, I can ignore the vibration most of the time. I wonder how I'd get along with the new CB1000R? My 848 Streetfighter doesn't vibe nearly as much as the KTM.
I actually kinda like some vibration.
Went from a 17/44 sprocket set up on my 919 (previous owner) to a 15/43.
It definitely had more vibration, but like I said I liked it.
I enjoy it in my current KTM twin also.

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The more I look at the Z900RS the more I want one.
I like the CB1000 neo but there are things about I don't like and would want to change.
There's really not much about the Z900RS I would change.
It's got something of the 919 about it.
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