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Informed / Uninformed riders....

I think it is funny when people talk about informed/non-informed riders.

What does that mean?

I know guys that can quote every spec of a bike, but I destroy them when it comes to riding ability.

I know guys that could not tell you the proper tire pressues for their bike (and I have read many people on this site asking this question in various ways) -- and one of them can smoke me on a back road.

I know a guy that cannot tell you what it is he liokes and doesn't like in a bike, but when he is on one he likes, he is fast, when he is on one he does not like, he is slow.

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So which one is informed?
1) The guy that can tell you everything but does not knwo what to do with them?
2) The guy that does not know anything, but can ride the wheels off his bike?
3) The guy that can ride the wheels off a perfect bike but cannot ride around problems that a bike may have.


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Or is it someone who happens to post on a forum and think that someone else is uninformed to show how informed they are?

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To me, uninformed is someone who spouts off at the mouth about things he knows nothing about. If you like the valve caps on this bike better than that bike and you bought your bike for that reason, why do people consider that person uninformed?

I think the people who have never ridden an SV650, but suggest it as a good bike for others is uninformed. All you know is what you heard and you are repeating it as if it were fact, and you do not have a freaking clue.

I think uninformed is people who are brand specific.

etc... I can go on and on, but i would like to know what others think, so I can be informed about my opinions on the uninformed.

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Just a quick take on this subject:

Facts are information.

Knowledge is the ability to apply information to specific situations, and to know what information is pertinent.

Experience is the end result of the application of information tempered and ordered by knowledge.

Wisdom is the experience that gives you the knowledge that you will never have all the information you need to be absolutely certain of anything.

So if you talk with someone who is certain of something, they may be informed, but they are probably not knowledgeable, almost certainly not experienced, and definitely not wise.

I think.

There you go.

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To me an Informed rider/buyer is someone who knows his ability, Knows what he wants from a bike, knows how to make a bike do what he needs it to do.
Also someone who has a specific purpose for the bike he is buying.
Informed is also a buyer who has done the research(read,ride,ask) to be able to get the most bike for his money.

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Just a quick take on this subject:

Facts are information.

Knowledge is the ability to apply facts to specific situations, and to know what facts are pertinent.

Experience is the end result of the application of information tempered and ordered by knowledge.

Wisdom is the experience that gives you the knowledge that you will never have all the information you need to be absolutely certain of anything.

So if you talk with someone who is certain of something, they may be informed, but they are probably not knowledgeable, almost certainly not experienced, and definitely not wise.

I think.

There you go.

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To me, uninformed can mean many things.

The idiot who does not know he/she is an idiot and just spouts off.

The person who geniunely just doesn't know better.

The person who just dives headlong into things with blind belief, etc.

However, the informed person to me is the one who has gone out and gathered as much information as possible, digested it, understood it and used it to make a wiser or smarter decision.

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It's all relative.


Actually, Rob and Mikey make good points!

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I worry about the mis-informed.

And I don't think brand loyalty has anything to do with being informed/uninformed.

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I'm totally uninformed cause I still can't get my suspension dialed in after a ga-zillian times... argh!

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I like xrmikey's answer best, but only because I'm still trying to wrap my brain around rob's answer.

I think you are mixing two different disciplines. Riding ability/experience and general/mechanical motorcycle knowledge. They are two different learning curves and completely different for each individual. As you point out, you can be a talented rider, but not know a lick about turning a wrench. Or you could have the ability to tear a bike down to the frame and put it back together better than it was before, but couldn't ride to save your life. All of us are at different points on these two curves.

And as hasbeen pointed out, its relative to the subject at hand. Being informed means you have taken solid time to research and learn about a particular subject from reliable sources, and can participate in a conversation on that subject, but doesn't necessarily mean you have experience with the subject.

Being informed happens at the beginning of each curve...and now I understand rob's post much better...

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Anyone who says that the current bike they are on is the best thing since sliced bread, yet complains about trivial mechanical or aesthetic issues is an uninformed rider. Blind brand or model-specific loyalty is an uninformed rider.

In order to fully appreciate the motorcycle as a mechanical work of art, a rider must spread the experience over as many models as possible. Absolutely noone can call themself an informed rider that has only ridden one motorcycle in their life. You will see these riders at gas stations and in motorcycle shops. Generally anywhere you stop your bike and the UR (Uninformed-Rider) approaches you to start a conversation about motorcycles in general. This person then weaves their web of misinformation to you while trying to glean some facts to strengthen their story to the next motorcyclist they encounter.

The same profile applies to many message boards and motorcycle forums. Usually this is worse because new, uninformed riders take what they read on these as fact without any further research on the subject. (ie: Putting WD-40 on motorcycle tires makes them grip better.)

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I like xrmikey's answer best, but only because I'm still trying to wrap my brain around rob's answer.

I think you are mixing two different disciplines. Riding ability/experience and general/mechanical motorcycle knowledge. They are two different learning curves and completely different for each individual. As you point out, you can be a talented rider, but not know a lick about turning a wrench. Or you could have the ability to tear a bike down to the frame and put it back together better than it was before, but couldn't ride to save your life. All of us are at different points on these two curves.

And as hasbeen pointed out, its relative to the subject at hand. Being informed means you have taken solid time to research and learn about a particular subject from reliable sources, and can participate in a conversation on that subject, but doesn't necessarily mean you have experience with the subject.

Being informed happens at the beginning of each curve...and now I understand rob's post much better...

Information, Knowledge, Experience, Wisdom.

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+1 on Robs response. And I'm just a grasshopper... but I like my two wheel thing-y that I ride once as often as I can!



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Sometimes I think "well............", and then again, I just don't know.

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Just a quick take on this subject:

Facts are information.

Knowledge is the ability to apply information to specific situations, and to know what information is pertinent.

Experience is the end result of the application of information tempered and ordered by knowledge.

Wisdom is the experience that gives you the knowledge that you will never have all the information you need to be absolutely certain of anything.

So if you talk with someone who is certain of something, they may be informed, but they are probably not knowledgeable, almost certainly not experienced, and definitely not wise.

I think.

There you go.

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Did this make your head hurt?
Quite the contrary -- to think this out thoroughly and whittle it down from the 2 pages it started out to its essence as presented was very relaxing; almost a meditation. Writing has always been a wonderful source of catharsis for me.

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to me the uninformed rider is the one that believes he knows everything and can handle any situation that he may come upon, the rider who feels he is invincible and rides as such, the rider who does not respect the sport and it's community

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to me the uninformed rider is the one that believes he knows everything and can handle any situation that he may come upon, the rider who feels he is invincible and rides as such, the rider who does not respect the sport and it's community
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never thought i would have to encounter a cow, but i think we handled ol' Bessy pretty well. at least we didn't fall over while we were laughing our asses off!

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i know! especially when they keep tellin us to eat more chicken and all... i'm never going to Chic-Fil-A again after that experience!

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To me:
Informed - A rider that knows there is always plenty to learn experience and knowledge wise, and that he/she knows enough not to get themself or others killed.

Uniformed - A rider who thinks he/she knows enough; opposite of the above description

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RE:

Darkace hit it too! You can be short on saddle time and apply what you've learned so far, all the time trying to pick up something every day that will help you maintance wise and safety wise.

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Just want to bring this thread back and find some new answers.... Anyone?

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Here's a uniformed rider talking to some un-uniformed riders

You are right this guy is a idiot and of course this fool is from florida. I wonder if his sargeant knows about this?

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There are those who have forgotten more about motorcycles than we will ever know, and those who forget that fact. Dang, I gave myself a headache. How does Rob do it, transform thoughts into written words so eloquently.

Someone could read all about everything there is about riding and motorcycles but never actually ride one, so does that make them more informed?

Someone could also put 25,000 miles a year on their motorcycle, but what if its just the same 25 miles over and over, does that make them informed?

I dunno?

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I can't attempt to top Rob and a few others wisdom here, but I would say that Informed would be someone with a mixture of knowledge and ability, but still has the will to improve.

While uniformed is someone who is content with the little they know and never branching out or connecting with what makes them ride.

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Aren't "informed" & "uninformed" in this context simply PC words for "smart" & "dumba$$?"

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Aren't "informed" & "uninformed" in this context simply PC words for "smart" & "dumba$$?"
+1, and thinly veiled at that.

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I think "informed" is separate from natural talent.

Some people can ride anything, not just one kind of bike and not know how to change spark plugs (I know one such guy, crotch rocket, quad or MXr he's fast). He's not informed, he's a natural.

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This is my opinion of informed and uninformed:

Informed - Those that can take the knowledge they acquire, and apply it to their lives (i.e. riding) to survive the day, only to survive again tomorrow.

Uninformed - Those that can't apply what knowledge they learn, however little or however much.

Those that don't need to apply knowledge - Lucky Bastards

The same goes for experienced and inexperienced riders. To me they are pretty much the same things.

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I think you can ride the same bike your whole life and still be informed as a rider and about bikes in general.

I also think you could ride every bike out there and still not be informed.

I don't think being informed, good riding ability and mechancial aptitude all relate.

I think I am an informed rider who still learns something new every time I go out. I can do some basic maintenance and always willing to learn more and try more. I am an OK rider but ont super fast.

I have owned 2 different street bikes and a dirt bike and ridden various models. Where does that put me on the informed scale?
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