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post #2 of 38 Old 03-16-2011, 11:49 AM
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I may need some of those fancy training wheels for my bike.

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I WANT TRAINING WHEELS!!!!!!

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WOW! I'm off to the shed to organize some auto folding extender wheels! Once I get to the point of no return on two wheels they will shoot out saving my bacon - or spin me around 360 into traffic!

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this video is a little bit unrealistic though as no one in their right mind is going to grab a handful of brake that hard, that fast, in the wet and lock up both tires....

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this video is a little bit unrealistic though as no one in their right mind is going to grab a handful of brake that hard, that fast, in the wet and lock up both tires....
ya.... thats what i was thinking... only a fool would do that... and at that point, it probably better they lowside, get scared and not ride again.

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this video is a little bit unrealistic though as no one in their right mind is going to grab a handful of brake that hard, that fast, in the wet and lock up both tires....
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ya.... thats what i was thinking... only a fool would do that... and at that point, it probably better they lowside, get scared and not ride again.
I was just going to say, they would if they were a noob or couldn't think fast enough that it might just be best to jump off of the bike if you knew you weren't going to stop in time.

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The point is the you CAN grab a handful with a system like this in place. That's exactly what I'll want to do when good ole'soccer mom pulls out in her white suv when I have no other escape route.

...seems pretty obvious to me.

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The point is the you CAN grab a handful with a system like this in place. That's exactly what I'll want to do when good ole'soccer mom pulls out in her white suv when I have no other escape route.

...seems pretty obvious to me.
Yeah, but he ended up traveling 15 -20 feet FARTHER than the guy who kept the bike under control. This system only helps you if you lose traction, which, if you did anyways under slick conditions, it might be better had you laid the bike down BEFORE coming into contact with said object. Who knows, you might slow down a bit more by sliding on your bum.

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I'm sorry but I am not following your logic. I can be a bit slow at times....

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I'm sorry but I am not following your logic. I can be a bit slow at times....
Watch the video again. The guy with the training wheels ended up with a longer stopping distance than the guy without. So it begs the question, did they REALLY help? Yeah, it kept him upright, but the other guy stayed upright AND stopped sooner.

The rest was just for fun....

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google, the one on the right has the abs i believe. the one on the left doesnt and hence locked up their brakes.

hmmm idk, hard to say and the video doesnt say which is which.

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im pretty sure the bike on the right has the abs...or this vid would not make any logical sense.

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Watch the video again. The guy with the training wheels ended up with a longer stopping distance than the guy without. So it begs the question, did they REALLY help? Yeah, it kept him upright, but the other guy stayed upright AND stopped sooner.

The rest was just for fun....
I think you totally missed the point of the video, it isn't about the training wheels.

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that looked like fun on the training wheels. Good times. Reminds of when we stuck some taco bell trays under the back wheels on our front wheel drive car, pulled the ebrake and went messing around...

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Yeah, but he ended up traveling 15 -20 feet FARTHER than the guy who kept the bike under control. This system only helps you if you lose traction, which, if you did anyways under slick conditions, it might be better had you laid the bike down BEFORE coming into contact with said object. Who knows, you might slow down a bit more by sliding on your bum.

But if you do that, maybe you need these.
ya u got it backwards man... training wheels = no ABS.


i could see how it would help in an emergency situation for sure, this is why i got out and practice panic stops like once a month to see 1. how far i have to stop, and 2. how hard i can stop before locking up the front.

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The guy on the training wheels has got to be digging that forward travel sideways without highsiding, I have experienced this strange motion on the snowbike this winter, lots of fun, can do that all day, and no training wheels. Gotta have a controlled environment , that could be hell in a congested area. So I'm not sure what I'd rather have, ABS or the training wheels?

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If anyone made an ABS kit for the 919 I would buy one in a heartbeat, this is the one major item it's missing IMO.

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that looked like fun on the training wheels. Good times. Reminds of when we stuck some taco bell trays under the back wheels on our front wheel drive car, pulled the ebrake and went messing around...
ive done that before a couple of times. its a hell of alot of fun

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this video is a little bit unrealistic though as no one in their right mind is going to grab a handful of brake that hard, that fast, in the wet and lock up both tires....
No kidding. I think all the ABS and automatic junk make you a lazy rider. I would rather hone my skills rather than rely on technology.

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ABS is a fantastic technology. especially on traction-limited surfaces.

Lazy rider? you been using break cleaner with the garage door down again Wally? ABS will allow you to brake harder, faster, and retain heading control. all around win.

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ABS is a fantastic technology. especially on traction-limited surfaces.

Lazy rider? you been using break cleaner with the garage door down again Wally? ABS will allow you to brake harder, faster, and retain heading control. all around win.
it does have its drawbacks.... i know at least in my truck, i almost wish i could turn off ABS when driving on icy / snowy / very traction limited surfaces as its WAY to aggressive... and i can actually stop / have a better feel without ABS

i guess its just all personal flavor... i know for a fact tho... u wont see abs on a track bike for a reason, just like u wont see wave rotors....

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your ABS needs to be adjusted. it should engage just before lockup. when properly set up it's the cat's ass on snow and Ice.

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your ABS needs to be adjusted. it should engage just before lockup. when properly set up it's the cat's ass on snow and Ice.
it does... but once it engages theres no breaking power unless you fully let off the pedal let the system calm its ass down then go back.... its a common complaint with my truck.... hell the abs kicks in if the ass end goes over a bump and ur breaking.

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it does... but once it engages theres no breaking power unless you fully let off the pedal let the system calm its ass down then go back.... its a common complaint with my truck.... hell the abs kicks in if the ass end goes over a bump and ur breaking.
My RX-8 smokes the rear wheels if I'm in the throttle when I go over a bump. No complaints here.

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Given the choice I'd take ABS on a motorcycle any day. Experienced riders and noobs alike have grabbed a handful of front brake at one time or another... just because it can be prevented with practice over time doesn't mean ABS isn't useful. Wish my 919 had ABS.

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oh, and it would have been nice to see a professional on the non-ABS trying his best vs. someone else on the ABS... that would have been a better video. as is, I agree w/ everyone else... gimme those training wheels and rainy-days would be a lot more fun in a wide open parking lot. haha

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ya u got it backwards man... training wheels = no ABS.
yeah, TOTALLY missed that one. hahahaha! man, shoot me now with a horse tranq. I seriously need some sleep. Dang twins....

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My RX-8 smokes the rear wheels if I'm in the throttle when I go over a bump. No complaints here.

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haha.... my big ole 6600lb chevy 2500hd 4x4 with a 6.0L v8 gasser chirps the tires between first n second hehe.

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Motorcycle Consumer News publishes 60-0 braking distances on most of the bikes it tests. The 1050 Speed Triple still holds the record (104.75') even against ABS equipped sport bikes. Of course this test was not performed in less than ideal conditions.



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haha.... my big ole 6600lb chevy 2500hd 4x4 with a 6.0L v8 gasser chirps the tires between first n second hehe.
I hope you didnt go drawing conclussions from my previous post. A competent driver (not me) can spool the RX-8's LSD'd rear right up from 1st thru 2nd without any issues.

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rotary engines are beautiful! until you have to pay for repair costs... bloody expensive to fix too. as a kid i had an opportunity to pick up a beautiful mint rx-7 (cant even remember what year anymore) for $500 and i was all over it until i find out the engine was blown and would cost $3,000 to repair. this was back in the late 90's too.

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haha.... my big ole 6600lb chevy 2500hd 4x4 with a 6.0L v8 gasser chirps the tires between first n second hehe.
With my 1998 Super-10 4x4 I can bark the tires into 3rd and it has posi......
I will admit that I put in 3.83 gears and that's a full throttle gear change.

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rotary engines are beautiful! until you have to pay for repair costs... bloody expensive to fix too. as a kid i had an opportunity to pick up a beautiful mint rx-7 (cant even remember what year anymore) for $500 and i was all over it until i find out the engine was blown and would cost $3,000 to repair. this was back in the late 90's too.
You pretty much nailed the love/hate aspect of it. I LOVE how this motor pulls to 8500rpm and screams like banshee while I rail on her but have great fears about blowing an apex seal or something.

I will say this....I bought a full drivetrain warranty along with my used toy. Everything should be good to go. I already used it for a rear wheel bearing that was acting up so that's one minor victory.

I now return you to your regularly scheduled programming....

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Jeep, motorcycle , AND an RX-8? hatehatehate you! It's a perfect trifecta of fun !

Check with the techs on warm-up/cool down of the Rotary. I've been told you can't do a short run with them. they gotta get all the way warm and then they need spun-up before shutdown. Something about the oil injection system.

Beyond that, oh what a buttery smooth pull! No real hate here.

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rotary engines are tight! they make so much power for how small they are.... theres a reason the mazda 787b lemans car got banned hehe.

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