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Helping a friend with bike suggestions

A close friend is thinking about getting out of his Busa and into something a little more relaxed and with a bit more utility. Thought I'd pose the question here and see what comes back. Here's his wants:

- fuel injection
- shaft drive nice to have, but will live with chain if needed
- not terribly heavy, no more than 600 pounds
- able to accomodate a passenger with decent comfort
- minimal plastic, front fairing OK
- relaxed more upright ride position, not aggressive
- ability to add bags with and without passenger
- low maintenance, proven engine
- at least 200-250 mile range
- power down low, torque preferred over HP, less vibes the better
- fairly low seat height, no more than 31-32"

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Here's a list to start with:

BMW K1200R (naked, not sure about passengers)
BMW K1200S (sport bike, full fairing. Not sure about passengers)
BMW K1200GT (sport tourer, might be on the heavy side)
Yamaha FJR (sport tourer, might be on the heavy side)
Kawasaki Concourse (sport tourer, might be on the heavy side too)
Motoguzzi Norge (sport tourer, might be on the heavy side too)
Yamaha V-Max (old-school cruiser, lots of torque)

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When you say utility, what are the driving factors here? I put utility and motorcycle together, and the first thing that hits me is an ADV bike.

If he wants a sport tourer that is still capable for two up, luggage, and gutsy in the twisties, I would vote for something like the VFR.

Minimal plastic says Tuono, but the passenger comfort would be nil.

The Triumph Tiger fits everything you described except the seat height. After riding hondaf4iguy's, I was convinced.

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I think his definition of utility is just the ability to do more than the Busa does, with comfort -- 2-up long weekend tours, commuting, day rides, etc. He's not looking to be an advrider inmate

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FJR gets my vote.

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07 or newer Suzuki Bandit offers alot of bang for the buck. LIquid cooled, Fuel inj. Room for two plus bags and gear.

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07 or newer Suzuki Bandit offers alot of bang for the buck. LIquid cooled, Fuel inj. Room for two plus bags and gear.
Completely forgot about that gem. Redesigned, and it is very comfy from sitting on the one in the showroom. 1250cc's IIRC.

http://www.suzukicycles.com/Products...7/Default.aspx



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Dry Weight: 225 kg (496 lbs)
MPG might be the deal-killer for the bandit though.
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Fuel Tank Capacity: 19 liter (5.0 gal)

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Another thing worth mentioning..

An old Concourse can be had for a fairly good price. Here's a site worth looking at if he's considering one.

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http://www.concours.org/

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Concours 14. A bike to keep for the next decade.

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Here's some Concors deals posted on the concours.org page. Considering the source, these bikes are probably well cared for.

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For Sale - 2005 Concours with 8000 miles in excellent condition with OEM luggage rack w/backrest (has extended plate to raise backrest pad), half tank bra and is under warranty through 2010. OEM shop manual included. There's not a scratch anywhere, the bike has just been serviced, is ready to ride and can be yours for $5,300. Located in Northern, NJ. Email: [email protected] (Ad placed on: 7/12/2007)

For Sale - 2000 Concours w/3000 miles for sale in Florida. With only 3000 miles on this beauty, all maintenance is up to date. Includes bag liners, handlebar risers, peg kit, case of oil filters, spare CDI box, shop manuals and custom cover. This Connie needs nothing, looks and rides as new and is ready to ride anywhere. Delivery can be arranged. $5000.00. Email: [email protected] (Ad placed on: 7/3/2007)

For Sale - 2006 Concours with 2400 miles. Cee Bailey Windshield 24 1/2 inches, Murph Highway Pegs, GenMar Risers, Pro Grips. Its a great bike, never been dropped and in showroom condition $ 6,250. Philadelphia area and can transport within reasonable distance. Contact Robert at (215) 885-9281 or (215) 432-3957 or Email: [email protected] (Ad placed on: 7/3/2007)

For Sale - 2005 Gold Connie. 5800 miles, Just don't have the time to enjoy it. The bike has never been wet, except for the occasional wash. Garage kept and very well maintained. I have added fog lights and and rack with a backrest. I will included several helmets and a tank bag. I can part with her for $6700.00. Please call (730) 593-9120 or Email: [email protected] (Ad placed on: 7/3/2007)

For Sale - 2004 Concours, LIKE NEW with 5,954 miles, New battery. Power outlet. Fendaextenda, Factory backrest, Magellan 300 Roadmate GPS with custom aluminum mount. Photo’s upon request. $5,795.00 Bike is in TN Phone: 423-791-4884 or Email: [email protected] (Ad placed on: 7/3/2007)

For Sale - 2000 Concours for sale. My third baby is coming soon and it’s about time I get something I can haul others around in. I’m asking $4000, or best offer. Phone 706.714.8270 or Email: [email protected] (Ad placed on: 7/3/2007)

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If he feels like making a trip to NC, I can probably get him a smoking deal on the Bandit. Ride the Busa down, and ride a Bandit home. What more could you ask for?

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Damn, why is the rear sprocket on that thing so large? Does it double as a stunt bike?

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Damn, why is the rear sprocket on that thing so large? Does it double as a stunt bike?

It's a belt drive. Most of em' are like that.

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I can make an honest call on the Concours, since I just sold mine.
1. The buzziest bike you'll ever ride.
2. Top heavy and 32'' seat.
3. The hottest (temp on legs and torso) bike you'll ever ride.
4. 1980's state of the art.
5. About 670 lbs with bags and rear case, remember top heavy.
6. A stump puller with 2 up.
7. Bullet proof.
8. Comfortable in winter time.
9. Easy maintance, if you ever get all the plastic off.
10.It will last forever.
I would never have ridden the last 30 days, every day, in this weather on the Connie like I have on the 919.
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Hey Ken...

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That's really amazing Ridge -- so much bike, including ABS - for $7700. Inline 4, lots of torque, right seat height, I wonder how good it is for pillion comfort.

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Well, I'm not riding two up with you mister! I could probably convince RC90 or midwest to snuggle up with you for a first-hand report.

It's a roll of quarters, I swear!

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Thanks for the info everyone!

The new and old Connie is out - too old and too new. BMW is a consideration depending on maintenance costs but it's on the list since there is a dealer 5 miles from here. KTM is too adventure. The FJR stays on the list. No Motoguzzi dealers around here and leary of repairs. V-Max is too cruiser.

Got the impression that the ABS Bandit piqued his interest more than anything else, and from I've read on Motorcycle Consumer News and elsewhere it's getting amazing reviews -- gobs of torque throughout the power band, great ergo's, very good brakes, decent protection, and excellent handling. This bike even has me wondering...

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Got the impression that the ABS Bandit piqued his interest more than anything else, and from I've read on Motorcycle Consumer News and elsewhere it's getting amazing reviews -- gobs of torque throughout the power band, great ergo's, very good brakes, decent protection, and excellent handling. This bike even has me wondering...
All sounds very good! The deal Ridge found is unbelievable!
If it would have been offered last year...I may be riding it.
One point is the rear leg room isn't as long as 9r, so how tall is his passenger?

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She's not very tall at all, maybe 5'6". I was looking at both manufacturer web sites just now -- how are you able to determine that the Bandit has less leg room than a 919? I'd be interested in comparing this to his Busa.

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I would think just by the nature of their design, that the Bandit has more leg room for a passenger than the Busa.

As for the 919 vs. Bandit, that is a closer comparison.

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Is that the gas cap on the tail? That thing looks sweet!

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She's not very tall at all, maybe 5'6". I was looking at both manufacturer web sites just now -- how are you able to determine that the Bandit has less leg room than a 919? I'd be interested in comparing this to his Busa.
Then it's probably great. I do a lot of 2up riding on the 9r and can see the metric from the photo. It's outrageous no MFG specifies the passenger's seat <> peg length! The Bandit's passenger pegs are above the oversized pipe, versus the 9r's are below them thus longer. Granted a smaller OD pipe and peg extensions could increase room if desired. The Busa/ZX are the worst for passenger legroom ergos, and the passenger sits unsupported (driver stretched out) on the launch pad.

I don't understand the Bandit MPG criticism. It gets better mileage than 95&#37; of cages.

Make sure the passenger gets a new helmet, full CE leathers, reinforced gloves, boots, and a spine pad.

I look forward to reading your friend's ride reports!

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End of story. I read a bunch of reviews on this new Bandit and noticed that it took the 'Best Bang for the Buck Award' in the Motorcycle of the Year edition of this month's Motorcyclist. It also won a shootout last month against a (twice as expensive) K1200R. Its new engine is a beast -- 64.5 lb-ft of torque at just 1,800 rpm, and from 2,700 rpm there’s more than 70 lb-ft available on up to its peak of 78.0 at 6,000 rpm, at which point it’s already spinning out 89.1 horsepower.

Went out to check this new Bandit out with my buddy. He didn't care for the styling much. I fell in love. I bought one. 2007 Metallic Blue 1250S ABS. Pick it up tomorrow.

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Excellent choice! Thanks for the background. How tall is your SO?
I measured the pass peg to middle of rear seat for you.
Busa 14", Bandit 15.5", 9r 19.5" (BMS seat). If desired you can easily increase the Bandit's peg stretch another couple inches with a smaller AF pipe and peg lowering brackets.

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