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....the distance. I'm expecting between 375-425 miles with this setup. I really don't knwo how much i'll be able to fill the 4 gal tank without overflow and how much the extra weight will affect my fuel economy.....here's to testing!!






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quite the set up TJ, you can get yourself real lost with something like that with no worries. is it a custom set up you made or is it something pre-made for your bike?

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The tank is off the shelf from Summit but I fabricated the rack with some angle iron and tube.

My hobart handler 187 is finally starting to pay for itself.

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nice job tj........


you coulda just put a empty beer keg back there...



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Do you know fellow Wisconsin, long distance guy Curt Gran? He's got a setup like that on his ST1300 and that guy can do like 600 miles without stopping!

My ass hurts just thinking about that!

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Do you know fellow Wisconsin, long distance guy Curt Gran? He's got a setup like that on his ST1300 and that guy can do like 600 miles without stopping!

My ass hurts just thinking about that!
No, I don't know any riders other than Lemonhead and 2 guys from my office.

Of course, I'm surrounded by BIKERS. ...but they don't count.

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Sorry, what is the goal here? Unless you are either going for an Iron Butt award, or riding in the outer reaches of Mongolia w/ no petrol stations within a few hundred miles, I'm having trouble seeing the value? Just looks like more weight and a loss of valuable real estate.

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That's amazingly clean work, but...
1) If you are riding with a buddy you have to stop when he does for gas anyway.
2) Wouldn't want ~60lb hunk of edged steel aimed at the middle of my back during a crash, how about a thick pad?

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Sorry, what is the goal here? Unless you are either going for an Iron Butt award, or riding in the outer reaches of Mongolia w/ no petrol stations within a few hundred miles, I'm having trouble seeing the value? Just looks like more weight and a loss of valuable real estate.
That's funny. I predicted your reply before evening clicking the thread. To each his own bro.

If you really have ask...it's not about making it to the next gas station as that's not hard to do here in the good ol'USA; it's about sailing right on by.

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That's amazingly clean work, but...
1) If you are riding with a buddy you have to stop when he does for gas anyway.
2) Wouldn't want ~60lb hunk of edged steel aimed at the middle of my back during a crash, how about a pad?
1. I ride alone.
2. I'm installing the airbag now....still on the fence about onstar.

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1. I ride alone.
2. I'm installing the airbag now....still on the fence about onstar.
Hahaha! Good answer, good answer... Sometimes we forget that it's not necessarily all about "practicality"; sometimes it's just 'cause we can. As for the crash... Would it really matter? Going down is rough no matter how you slice it (that's what she said), an whether it's an aluminum tank or fiberglass luggage - it ain't going to be smooth either way...

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Nice looking job you did there. Do you have to change/valve over to that tank or does it use out of that one first.

And hurry up and fill it up before gas prices go up some more!

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Nice looking job you did there. Do you have to change/valve over to that tank or does it use out of that one first.

And hurry up and fill it up before gas prices go up some more!
It's going to be plumbed for gravity feed with a simple valve. I'm waiting on 2shippments now. Actually there will be 2 valves, a dual closure quick-disconnect, and a cheapo fuel filter. I'm using 5/16 id for the main line and unfortunately 3/8 id for the overflow. The vent has a built in tip-over valve and will have a bronze filter element sutffed into that (1/8 npt).

I didn't mention it before but this thing is completely removable and will only be on the bike about 2% of the year. I still have a bit of refinement to do to the mount (vertical post cross brace , round corners of mounting tabs, paint) and the main tank is yet to be drilled but once my parts arrive things should roll along quickly.

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That's funny. I predicted your reply before evening clicking the thread. To each his own bro.

If you really have ask...it's not about making it to the next gas station as that's not hard to do here in the good ol'USA; it's about sailing right on by.
Dude, it's your bike. Rock whatever the fuck you want as far as mods. I simply asked the question behind the motivation of your thinking rather than blindly patting you on the back and giving you an 'atta boy like everyone else here. Had you said it was not going to be on the bike all the time to begin with, I probably would not have asked at all and just chalked it up to one's preparation for the worst case scenario and expecting the best.

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That's it !!! I remember one called the sneaky pete, but nothing showed-up on the internet.

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Wow dude.. if it was going to be gravity feed all along, couldnt you have gone to walmart and bought a gas can for $12? IMHO it would have looked better too, lol.

People are going to be asking about the flux capacitor on the back of your ride, just go with it. If you tell them thats where you put gas its not going to have the same effect.

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Hahaha! Good answer, good answer... Sometimes we forget that it's not necessarily all about "practicality"; sometimes it's just 'cause we can. As for the crash... Would it really matter? Going down is rough no matter how you slice it (that's what she said), an whether it's an aluminum tank or fiberglass luggage - it ain't going to be smooth either way...
Sure no accident is smooth and there's no 100% protection. If you have the bad luck to get rear ended, a sharp edge metal aimed at your back is simply a bad design. If being an iron butt and going the distance means everything, go for it!

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Wow dude.. if it was going to be gravity feed all along, couldnt you have gone to walmart and bought a gas can for $12? IMHO it would have looked better too, lol.

People are going to be asking about the flux capacitor on the back of your ride, just go with it. If you tell them thats where you put gas its not going to have the same effect.
DR1, I have to admit I don't really understand your reasoning. What's wrong with gravity feed? Gravity rarely shorts out or blows fuses or burns up pumps or solenoids.

As far as the $12.00 gas can idea, um....no. Not for me. If I was open to "pouring it in" on the side of the road I would have gone with the PegPacker or Koplin setups.

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I've been to parts of the country you could actually have a liable use for that thing. And on a roda trip the less you have to fil u the better is you ask me once I'm going i hate getting off the bike.

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DR1, I have to admit I don't really understand your reasoning. What's wrong with gravity feed? Gravity rarely shorts out or blows fuses or burns up pumps or solenoids.

As far as the $12.00 gas can idea, um....no. Not for me. If I was open to "pouring it in" on the side of the road I would have gone with the PegPacker or Koplin setups.

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I mean modify a gas can, and $20 later you have your gravity feed. And a useable gas can. I wasnt talking about pouring it in. Despite the incredible amount of sense it makes. :P

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I see where you are going now.

I think it would be a bit difficult fixing a bulkhead fitting to a poly can which you couldn't fit your hand into. Baffeling of some sort is also a factor when mounting on a bike. This particular unit uses foam.

There are a few other reasons "I" wouldn't do it, but as I said before, to each his own.

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My only question is: Is the arrangement you have legal ?

I'm sure the welds are acceptable as is your support frame. And the tank I recognized as a pro racing piece immediately. But that doesn't mean Johnny Law gon' like it.

Um. I guess practicality overruled asthetics here ? Then again, is 2 % worth worrying about.

Those COBRA stickers on the other hand........

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My only question is: Is the arrangement you have legal ?

I'm sure the welds are acceptable as is your support frame. And the tank I recognized as a pro racing piece immediately. But that doesn't mean Johnny Law gon' like it.

Um. I guess practicality overruled asthetics here ? Then again, is 2 % worth worrying about.

Those COBRA stickers on the other hand........

howya been?
Legality is a fair question....

Anyone investigating a project like this will find a wealth of vendors of MC specific AUX tanks and historical data of successful and long term installs. I know that doesn't speak to legality....but it does speak to what one can expcect as far as problems. I've seen NO reports of Johnny Law being an issue. Face it, when this thing is on I'll only be in one place long enough to get gas/eat a samich/ or find a campground. My normal stomping grounds are county hwys and farm roads. <<< The cops you see out there have much different agendas IMHO.


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Nothing worse than having to get off the bike for gas when you are in a flow... I like it! Just a thought, and I am sure you have already thought of it but did you allow for a negative pressure valve like in your regular gas tank?



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Yeah, she's vented in addition to the overflow, just like a DOT tank.

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Yeah, I'm over there. I'll be posting a build of this when it's all done and documented.

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Nice work TJ. I enjoy your threads and ingenuity and always pick up some good ideas.

For pure asthetics, I would paint the tank black to match the side cases.

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Nice work TJ. I enjoy your threads and ingenuity and always pick up some good ideas.

For pure asthetics, I would paint the tank black to match the side cases.
Thanks, I agree that the black would look sharper.

I had the option of buying the tank in black powdercoat for an additional 40 dollars. I chose to go with AL as it will keep the fuel cooler by refelecting more heat and prevent excessive problems with overflow and outward venting....in theory.

My bike is also completely black as it is, even my riding gear is all black. I thought a touch'O bling couldn't hurt.

I wonder how much asthetics will matter when my sleeping bag, tent, therma-rest and other crap is bungied on the bike as well.

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What's wrong with the diapers you usually wear?

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Thanks, I agree that the black would look sharper.

I had the option of buying the tank in black powdercoat for an additional 40 dollars. I chose to go with AL as it will keep the fuel cooler by refelecting more heat and prevent excessive problems with overflow and outward venting....in theory.

My bike is also completely black as it is, even my riding gear is all black. I thought a touch'O bling couldn't hurt.

I wonder how much asthetics will matter when my sleeping bag, tent, therma-rest and other crap is bungied on the bike as well.
Makes sense and when dealing with gas it probably more important to keep the gas in the tank than to look good.

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I can see a jeep owner behind this mod. A freaking fuel cell on the bike? I thought I've seen everything

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The real question is, where are you planning on going?
I'm planning on burning 2 weeks of vacation this year on the bike. Living where I do all of the fun is at least 4-8 hours drive away so the miles are going to rack up. Spending that much time on the road can also get expensive if shacking every night in a hotel so i'm going to make the best of my gov't sponsored training and camp a much as possible.

As to where i'm going....I have no clue. <<<for some reason this made me smile when I typed it.

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That would come in Handy on my ride on to the Dragon on the FZ1 at the end of the month.

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That would come in Handy on my ride on to the Dragon on the FZ1 at the end of the month.
Yup, and if you base camp at a hotel or campground you can shed the tank and ride light when you get into the shit. <<<that's my plan

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