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post #2 of 16 Old 06-23-2011, 02:45 PM
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I have no way to know if what they are quoting as facts are, in fact, facts or lies. I have repeatedly heard that ethanol contains less energy than gasoline...so, I'd have to think that is true...weird thing is: that was Myth number 5, which they are saying isn't a Myth. So, they should have titled the piece "4 Myths and One Truth".

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yup. e85 is less potent than gas but like stated it has a higher octane... some guys will use e85 in their high performance forced induction cars n whatnot simply because of its high octane rating and it being super cheap.

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That's fantastic! I may use that one tomorrow.

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statistics are like bikinis: what they reveal is interesting, but what they hide is vital...
hahaha, never heard that one.

this one I knew: SWC- "Statistics are like a drunk with a lamppost: used more for support than illumination"

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genius analogy!

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Well, we've at least obtained two pithy quotes in this thread...that's more production than some threads that are 6-7 pages long!

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As far as ethanol being cheaper than gas, I have to wonder if that was written taking the subsidies in place for ethanol into account. If those end (and I heard they passed a bill recently on phasing those out), how much will the price of a gallon of E85 go up?

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Cellulosic Ethanol makes sense to some degree.
Corn doesn't.
40 % of today's USA corn production goes toward ethanol, it's a corn lobby catering boondoggle that is screwing up corn related food prices.
Once one adds in the stoichiometric ratio aspect of corn, whatever shine it had on energy balance is gone.
A 10 % Ethanol brew does have emissions benefits, but E85 is madness in my mind.
North America will never solve its imported oil problem by Eth or Meth, in fact it will likely make it worse at it will be seen as a panacea.

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none of those are facts they are statistics made by a corporation that has a lot to do with ethanol. and for there math skills all you have to look at it this line.

" Some purpose-grown woody crops for next-generation fuels actually increase soil carbon enough to yield over a 100 percent reduction in GHG emissions."


explain to me how you can reduce something more than 100%? say you way 200 pounds to reduce you by say 110% would be negative 20 pounds of coarse this is achievable with a lot of hot air.

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The problem with Ethanol (E10) here in Canada is that it's priced the same as regular gasoline. So, you're doing less mileage for your money.

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The problem with Ethanol (E10) here in Canada is that it's priced the same as regular gasoline. So, you're doing less mileage for your money.
The real problem is that it is mandated in Ontario for sure, and no doubt at least in one more Province.
Just like BC mandates a min of 5 % average biodiesel in the diesel pumpage.
We're stuck with ethanol, the issue is keeping it maxed at 10 %. It does serve as a an antiknock agent and oxygenator, so there are some redeeming qualities.

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Biggest SCAM this govt has ever come up with.

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post #15 of 16 Old 06-24-2011, 06:06 PM
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e85 is only 20 cents cheaper than regular hear so it' snot worth it at all. it;s not even a 10 percent drop in price for a lot more than 10 percent drop in mileage.

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" Some purpose-grown woody crops for next-generation fuels actually increase soil carbon enough to yield over a 100 percent reduction in GHG emissions."


explain to me how you can reduce something more than 100%? say you way 200 pounds to reduce you by say 110% would be negative 20 pounds of coarse this is achievable with a lot of hot air.
Maybe they are trying to say more Carbon is captured from the atmosphere by the plant than the GHG emissions that are created by planting/harvesting/converting it to ethanol, therefore using this plant in this way is reducing GHG emissions this much.

It's like the catalytic technology we COULD put on to the surfaces of ICE radiators, which would result in some of the ambient pollutants being reduced...just because that polluted air passed over this particular radiator. If the vehicle were a PZEV or even an ULEV, the air could become less polluted than it was before, just by driving this car. It costs more than a consumer is willing to spend. It's one of those things that COULD be mandated by governments some day, though...so, if nothing else maybe some can say they heard it here first?

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