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Cycle World 2011 10 Best

Sept CW mag came yesterday and they've listed their 2011 10 best bikes - Some interesting choices this year.

Top standard is the Z1000 again. CB1000R didn't even get an honorable mention. Hoyer mentions it in an editorial up front on p. 8 to basically say he's glad it came to the USA.

Standard - Kawasaki Z1000
Sport Tourer - BWM K1600 GT
Tourer - BMW K1600 GTL
Open Bike - Duc MultiStrada 1200S
Superbike - Buell EBR11900RS
Middleweight Streetbike - Kawasaki ZX-6R
Cruiser - Ducati Diavel Carbon
Enduro - Husaberg FE750S
Dual Sport - Triumph Tiger 800XC
Motocrosser - Suzuki RM-Z450

Weirdness. How is the Z1000 really a standard when it has such limited passenger and luggage attachment options? How is the ZX-6R anything other than a track bike? What the hell is a Husaberg? And how does Erik Buell get chosen when that new thing of his is completely unproven? I guess Harley guys aren't the target audience for CW magazine because otherwise there would be a revolt over naming the Diavel best cruiser.

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Agreed. and having ridden a Diavel, I can't say it makes a good cruiser. The ergo's are ok, but heat rolls off that thing like a blast furnace and it makes so much noise the best word I can think of to describe it is... a contraption.

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I'm sorry but when I think "standard" I never consider passenger or luggage in the equation.



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When I think "standard" I think unfaired with a neutral rider position (somewhat upright and foot peg position under the rider and not rear set like a repli-racer).

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Standard to me means a modern incarnation of UJM. It's a bike that can be mildly hooligan, but can also be easily fitted with a hard top box for errands, can comfortably haul a passenger for maybe an hour, and has near all day ergonomics. In other words, a 919. The Z1000, CB1000R and Speed Trip are more solo-oriented hooligan bikes which I appreciate.

Honda has left a gap between the CB1000R and VFR1200F. The CB is too hooligan/solo, and the VFR is too expensive, complicated and heavy. Where is the new $9000, 125 HP, 440 lb, red Honda that gets 40 mpg and has a round headlight and 5 gallon tank??

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Standard to me means a modern incarnation of UJM. It's a bike that can be mildly hooligan, but can also be easily fitted with a hard top box for errands, can comfortably haul a passenger for maybe an hour, and has near all day ergonomics. In other words, a 919. The Z1000, CB1000R and Speed Trip are more solo-oriented hooligan bikes which I appreciate.

Honda has left a gap between the CB1000R and VFR1200F. The CB is too hooligan/solo, and the VFR is too expensive, complicated and heavy. Where is the new $9000, 125 HP, 440 lb, red Honda that gets 40 mpg and has a round headlight and 5 gallon tank??
hmm... sounds like your looking for a 919... Well I have one for ya, it may not have 125 HP and its not red, but it is the fastest color which is matte black. Plus I'll let this beauty be yours for a steal at $8999

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I would agree with those choices on paper. As far as how each one rides, odds are almost every one would be a honda ...

Ps. "Streetfighter" is the new "standard"

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Thanks a lot undercover

My '07 red 919 with Givi top case, Leo Vince CF cans, LED lights and 3 seats to choose from is just fine for now. It will be hard to replace as it's just so damn versatile and fun. I can wheelie, get 40 mpg all day long, haul groceries, take a hottie for a ride, and who knows what else. Plus I get constant compliments and questions like "What kind of bike is THAT?" "I've never seen one of those."

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Standard to me means a modern incarnation of UJM. It's a bike that can be mildly hooligan, but can also be easily fitted with a hard top box for errands, can comfortably haul a passenger for maybe an hour, and has near all day ergonomics. In other words, a 919. The Z1000, CB1000R and Speed Trip are more solo-oriented hooligan bikes which I appreciate.

Honda has left a gap between the CB1000R and VFR1200F. The CB is too hooligan/solo, and the VFR is too expensive, complicated and heavy. Where is the new $9000, 125 HP, 440 lb, red Honda that gets 40 mpg and has a round headlight and 5 gallon tank??
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Standard to me means a modern incarnation of UJM. It's a bike that can be mildly hooligan, but can also be easily fitted with a hard top box for errands, can comfortably haul a passenger for maybe an hour, and has near all day ergonomics. In other words, a 919. The Z1000, CB1000R and Speed Trip are more solo-oriented hooligan bikes which I appreciate.

Honda has left a gap between the CB1000R and VFR1200F. The CB is too hooligan/solo, and the VFR is too expensive, complicated and heavy. Where is the new $9000, 125 HP, 440 lb, red Honda that gets 40 mpg and has a round headlight and 5 gallon tank??
Again, agreed.


Every standard known to man except for recently has had adequate passenger accommodations. The Triple, Z1000 and such have started to eat away at that. They're streetfighter/hooligan bikes not "standards". If "standard" had a face, it probably look a lot like a 90's Nighthawk or 80's Suzuki GS series, or a 919. Not including performance, a 919 is about the limit of what I would consider a standard. Z1000? not even close.

Two excellent examples of a "standard" motorcycle

Big Red's CB1300



Yamaha's XJ1300



Neither of which was ever available here.

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Entry level? 600cc? Single front disc? No thanks. The DCT may be the next big thing but that bike doesn't interest me.

Now if Yamaha does what is long overdue and updates the FZ1 with the R1 cross plane engine, the Z1000 will have strong competition. The FZ1 is a great machine. Honda has the CB1000 overseas but it's a "classic" air cooled bike with 87 HP. It'd at least be nice to have it as an option.

Ferris, I don't even know what a streetfighter is. Who invented that silly name anyway? I just watched the FZ8 marketing video on Yamaha's website and don't get it. Kids standing around in a dark alley watching stunts? Is that what streetfighting is? I'm getting old.

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Yeah I agree with you Flycatcher. We are both getting old it appears! Those heavyweight standards (including our Bandit) lack one thing the 919 has, good mileage. I know most people don't care but I like a bike that gets 40 mpg. Some of those big boys drop into the low thirties which I think is bad considering one can get that with a Honda Civic.

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Please for the love of all that is good and holy. QUIT POSTING PICTURES OF BIKES THAT ARE NOT AVAILABLE IN THE U.S.!!!! Atleast quit posting pics of bikes that look like they would be awesome but are not availabe in the U.S.

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"Motorcyclist" mag has the Speed Trip as the best standard, and runner up is the CB1000r.

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Please for the love of all that is good and holy. QUIT POSTING PICTURES OF BIKES THAT ARE NOT AVAILABLE IN THE U.S.!!!! Atleast quit posting pics of bikes that look like they would be awesome but are not availabe in the U.S.


It is bad. I was just overseas for 3 months and saw those machines everywhere. I even got pissed seeing the CB400 all over because WE CANT HAVE IT.

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Streetfighter = a supersport stripped naked with renthal type bars in place of clip ons and other various mods to make it more formidable on the street while retaining the power, suspension, and weight of a race bike ... recentely the factory streetfighters have replaced the typical standard market

Examples -
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Streetfighter = a supersport stripped naked with renthal type bars in place of clip ons and other various mods to make it more formidable on the street while retaining the power, suspension, and weight of a race bike ... recentely the factory streetfighters have replaced the typical standard market

Examples -
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Cbr1000rr ~ cb1000r
Hyabusa ~ b-king
Zx-10 ~ z1000
daytona 675 ~ street triple
I have a streetfighter? Cool

See my streetfighter coiled up in its lair. Don't get too close!
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See my streetfighter coiled up in its lair. Don't get too close!


That my friend has DANGER written all over it!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Ratings and reviews all boil down to who pays the most in advertising dollars etc...

I prefer motorcycle consumer news as they don't take any advertising dollars and reviews seem more honest.

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I have a streetfighter? Cool

See my streetfighter coiled up in its lair. Don't get too close!
Yes! And the general trend of mods is ...

If you have a cbr900, to make it more like a 919 via no plastics, renthal bars etc

If you have a 919, better suspension, lighter parts, etc

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Standard to me means a modern incarnation of UJM. It's a bike that can be mildly hooligan, but can also be easily fitted with a hard top box for errands, can comfortably haul a passenger for maybe an hour, and has near all day ergonomics. In other words, a 919. The Z1000, CB1000R and Speed Trip are more solo-oriented hooligan bikes which I appreciate.

Honda has left a gap between the CB1000R and VFR1200F. The CB is too hooligan/solo, and the VFR is too expensive, complicated and heavy. Where is the new $9000, 125 HP, 440 lb, red Honda that gets 40 mpg and has a round headlight and 5 gallon tank??
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thats what i was thinking..... albit that buell bike is SICK... that motor is absolutly NUTZ... but 1, not street legal, 2 not even remotely big production... dunno if id consider that.

and like stated i think they are getting standard, and streetfighter mixed up.

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Forum Newbie talking:

Here's my European background 2 cents on the Streetfighter vs. Standard topic: Streetfighterizing your bike in Europe is a cult. There are lots of MCs that are Streetfighter exclusive, meaning no "standard" bikes allowed. Streetfighters are real rowdy Hooligans, mostly one-seaters, high tail, loud empty or no exhaust, aggresive front and the list of mods can go on and on.

I am actually surprised that most manufacturers even dare calling their bikes "Streetfighters" - e.g. Ducati... I do consider their products as being really nice standards, but like every Streetfighter enthusiast will tell you: "you MAKE your own Streetfighter, you don't buy it off the showroom floor!"

I just hope that one of these days I'll get the money and the time to work on my bike a bit so I can earn some braggin' rights around here. Until then, I will be leaving you with a nice 900rr attached and with a link for the German-speakers (and not only): Fighters-Magazin Homepage

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I just hope that one of these days I'll get the money and the time to work on my bike a bit so I can earn some braggin' rights around here.

Have a good one!
You've got a real cool 919 in that somewhat rare green, that's more than enough for bragging rights!

Thanks for the EU view on the subject.

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Streetfighter = a supersport stripped naked with renthal type bars in place of clip ons and other various mods to make it more formidable on the street while retaining the power, suspension, and weight of a race bike ... recentely the factory streetfighters have replaced the typical standard market

Examples -
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Cbr1000rr ~ cb1000r
Hyabusa ~ b-king
Zx-10 ~ z1000
daytona 675 ~ street triple
A new catagory that I read somewhere..."Super Standard". As if we need more catagories!

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Motorcyclist Magazine has just released their Bike of the Year -

BEST NAKED - Speed Triple - alternative take (option) CB1000R Honda quote - "Honda has gotten it just right"


BOTY was the KawaNinja 1000 - Z1000 with fairing.

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Here's my European background 2 cents on the Streetfighter vs. Standard topic: Streetfighterizing your bike in Europe is a cult. There are lots of MCs that are Streetfighter exclusive, meaning no "standard" bikes allowed. Streetfighters are real rowdy Hooligans, mostly one-seaters, high tail, loud empty or no exhaust, aggresive front and the list of mods can go on and on.

I am actually surprised that most manufacturers even dare calling their bikes "Streetfighters" - e.g. Ducati... I do consider their products as being really nice standards, but like every Streetfighter enthusiast will tell you: "you MAKE your own Streetfighter, you don't buy it off the showroom floor!"
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I poke around customfighters.com every once in a while. You're absolutely right. You CANNOT buy a streetfighter. They take that very seriously. About the closest you can buy is a Tuono as it actually is the very same bike without fairings. But it still doesn't count.

And what is it will all the high tails on those bikes? They look like pissed off chipmunks.



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I think that's where those two bikes I posted fall

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thats what i was thinking..... albit that buell bike is SICK... that motor is absolutly NUTZ... but 1, not street legal, 2 not even remotely big production... dunno if id consider that.

and like stated i think they are getting standard, and streetfighter mixed up.

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As good as the Buell appears to be, it is outrageous for it to be chosen for this "award". It's a $40,000, limited production bike for Pete sakes! How can that be chosen? To me it almost appears to be a big single finger salute gesture towards HD for it's decision and handling of the whole Buell saga.

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There are lots of MCs that are Streetfighter exclusive, meaning no "standard" bikes allowed. Streetfighters are real rowdy Hooligans, mostly one-seaters, high tail, loud empty or no exhaust, aggresive front and the list of mods can go on and on.
So wait, you mean my 919 is not a streetfighter? Oh man.
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So wait, you mean my 919 is not a streetfighter? Oh man.
That's only according to the europeans, but we all know how bad they screw chyt up...

WWI or WWII are prime examples of european shortfalls

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Yeah, yeah - we "Europeans" are at fault for discovering the Americas... I gues we screwed that one up too, ha?!?

All jokes aside, speaking of different cultures, I have never seen such elaborated Speed Bike customizing as in the US. The 1000+ bikes are absolutely awesome and impressive for any European. Obviously there's no use for elongated swingarms in Europe because it's twisties that rule the riding scene and not dragways, but these are really cool and that is that!

A friend of mine just came from Germany today and he will be here for a year in a technical exchange at the company that I work for. Maybe, just maybe, I got the help that I needed to get my project started (he works, I watch and all for a few )

Anyway, here is my personal classification:

Standard - Triumph Speed Triple (very biased opinion on my side)
Sport Tourer - BWM K1600 GT (agree)
Tourer - Kawasaki Vulcan Vaquero (Old-school done right)
Open Bike - Duc MultiStrada 1200S (interesting category...)
Superbike - BMW S1000 RR (simply amazing)
Middleweight Streetbike - Yamaha FZ8 (street, not track)
Cruiser - Yamaha Star Stryker (New, beats the competition, priced right)
Enduro - KTM 690 Enduro R (true enduro, real enduro experience)
Dual Sport - Triumph Tiger 800XC (agree, but leaning towards BMWs)
Motocrosser - Suzuki RM-Z450 (no other suggestion - I like Husqvarna, but do not know enough about these)

I do not want to post anything from outside the US, but here are two interesting bikes to look at:

Suzuki GSR750
Yamaha MT-01

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Last night at a bike night my 919 was described by an onlooker as having a legit european streetfighter look ... but my 919 is far from stock

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One aspect of the European Street Fighter fashion is the extreme looking rear ends - jacked up high like the red image previously. The style did not start that way it has just been taken to a extreme and IMO looks fuggly jacked up like that.

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They got the tourer, open, and dual sport categories right. All others up for discussion, IMO.

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Yeah, yeah - we "Europeans" are at fault for discovering the Americas... I gues we screwed that one up too, ha?!?


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Well one can buy a chopper off the show room floor so the correlation would be that one can buy a streetfighter off the show room floor.

Someone on here made a good point in another thread. A streetfighter has full on not detuned engine and suspension, but the ergos of a standard. I would agree with that description.

So as I see it a factory can build a street fighter. Its just that most of the factory streetfighters don't have much fight in them. SportStandard would more accuratly describe them but its all up to the marketing dept what they are called in the brosures.

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